Based on the Shirley Jackson novel, Mike Flanagan presents The Haunting of Hill House, which follows a group of siblings as they deal with the aftermath of living in a haunted house. It’s our second miniseries of the Flanaverse (Ep. 4 - Midnight Mass), and easily our favorite. We also chat through the constant news of “people walking out of the theater” at early movie screenings including Steven Soderbergh’s new film Presence starring Lucy Liu and Julia Fox.
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Hello, welcome back to Killer Cuties.
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Welcome back.
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How was your Tuesday?
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Good.
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It was good.
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How was yours?
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Just the greatest ever.
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I'm sure it was.
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Yeah, you said you have horror news for me.
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Hit me.
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I do.
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Okay.
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We both took a sip of water at the same time.
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Yeah, that was very in sync of us, like the band.
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Okay, so Steven Soderbergh, the man behind Ocean's Eleven, Magic Mike, Erin
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Brockovich, and like a trillion other movies, but not a lot of horror movies,
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did a horror movie.
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It's called Presence.
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It just screened at Sundance last week.
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It stars Julia Fox, Chris Sullivan, Callina Liang, and Lucy Liu.
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I'm sorry, Julia Fox from Uncut Gems.
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All right, I'm in.
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I don't think you'll be in for very long because it's paranormal.
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Eh, okay.
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Yeah, it was another one of those articles where it was like, people are walking out
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of the theater.
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Apparently a bunch of people did walk out of the theater.
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The cast describes the movie as suffocating.
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Lucy even said that at the screening, she was at the screening and she said that it
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was absolutely devastating to watch this movie and she couldn't even believe she
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was in the movie based on the reactions her body was having while watching it.
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And it's based on a true experience with Steven Soderbergh when his house was
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haunted, the house that he lived in was haunted.
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And the cast has even done interviews saying that the set was haunted and the
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hotel was haunted, they stayed in.
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So, yeah, Callina said that she was hearing knocks, her alarms would go off.
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I know exactly what you're going to say, but...
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That's crazy.
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My alarms also go off when I set a timer and then, you know, it's that time.
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Anyways.
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at the time they were supposed to go off, to be clear.
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I I I I just think every time I hear oh, people were walking out, this movie's so
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scary, everybody was terrified and they had to leave, it's always a flop, always.
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Every single time I feel like they do it just to get hype up for the movie.
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And it's got Lucy Liu in it, so I really hope I'm wrong.
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I hope it's an absolute banger, but I feel like when I hear that kind of stuff.
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I just immediately think, oh, it's going to be bad.
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Yeah, the last movie that I remember hearing that about a lot was Infinity
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Pool.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think there was one that we watched in Discord because an article came out, oh,
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this is Netflix's scariest movie ever and people can't even finish it.
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And it was the worst movie ever.
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It was so bad.
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I can't even remember what it was called because it was that bad.
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I don't remember.
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It was like some guy living in the walls.
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Anyways, it was terrible.
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It was really bad.
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and I'm rooting for Stephen.
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I hope this movie is fantastic.
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I want to be wrong.
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I'll say that.
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I want to be wrong.
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We'll see, we'll see.
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We will.
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For now, should we talk about The Haunting of Hill House?
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I guess, yeah, sorry, there's not a of news this week.
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Yeah, well, you know.
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It is what it is.
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week as they say.
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Um, yes, let's talk about Hill House.
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Okay.
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Where to begin?
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This modern reimagining of the Shirley Jackson novel follows siblings who as
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children grew up in what would go on to become the most famous haunted house in
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the country.
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Now adults, they are forced back together in the face of tragedy and must finally
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confront the ghosts of their past.
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Some of those ghosts still lurk in their vines while others may actually be
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stalking the shadows of Hill House.
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The ensemble cast includes Oscar winner Timothy Hutton, Carla Gugino, right
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Gugino?
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And Henry Thomas, Mike Flanagan of the Flanaverse.
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Create the series.
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Not the Flanaverse.
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Yeah, we have watched just Midnight Mass from him so far.
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We will absolutely be watching more of his series and getting in some of his films as
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well.
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But yeah, and this also is Victoria Pedretti's first role.
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Yes, she sent in a self -taped audition.
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Yep, she didn't even have a headshot.
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She'd never been booked before.
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But I thought she did a fantastic job and I'm happy it kind of launched her career.
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Yeah, that's Nell by the way.
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Yes, yes, plays one of the five siblings.
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You know who else is in this?
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uh, Mike Flanagan's wife.
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Oh yeah, Kate Siegel.
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She's in everything he does.
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Midnight Mass, yeah.
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Which is fine.
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At least she's talented.
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She's a good actress.
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There's another horror director who I won't name quite yet because I don't want
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to get hate, but he also casts his wife in everything and she is...
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the worst actress ever.
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Like so bad it ruins the movies for me so we'll get to those eventually.
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I honestly think horror fans will know exactly who I'm talking about.
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But yeah, only because it's been a topic of discussion amongst us horror fans.
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Totally unrelated, but Mike Flanagan is the most tech bro looking ass dude I've
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ever seen in my life.
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Yeah, he doesn't...
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Well, he kind of looks like a director too, but...
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But yeah, I could see it.
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Um, Kate Siegel wasn't who I was thinking of though.
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Young Theo is played by McKenna Grace, who plays the young version of everyone ever
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in every movie.
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She played young Tonya in I, Tonya.
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She played young Sabrina in The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina.
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She played young Madison in Malignant.
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She played young Daphne in Scoob!.
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She played young Carol in Captain Marvel.
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She played young Emma in Once Upon a Time, young Caroline in The Vampire Diaries.
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So if you need someone to play a younger version of someone else, that's your girl.
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I guess so.
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You better hurry up though.
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I mean, she's only going to be young for so long.
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well, no, you just have to cast older actors and then she still plays the young
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version of them.
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I don't ever want to see credits in her name that don't have young before it.
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Which brings me to Hugh.
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Mm -hmm.
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Why was that necessary to cast someone different?
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Oh, I think because they really wanted to show
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the toll that the years have taken on him.
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We know that they do, we know that the Flanaverse is capable of very good aging
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makeup.
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No, because I clocked that girl the second Midnight Mass came on.
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And you did too, we both did.
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well, yeah, but I would much rather have seen him in...
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I mean, we weren't supposed to not know it was him.
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That was the problem with Midnight Mass, right?
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Was that, is she wearing aging makeup?
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And we didn't know that she was an aged version of somebody.
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But in this instance, we knew he was Hugh the whole time.
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So had they just done makeup for him?
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That would have been, for me, a lot more believable because...
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Yeah.
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Thomas and Dan Capleau look pretty close in age.
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They're only like 11 years apart.
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Yeah that, he just didn't do it for me.
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I don't know, I didn't have an issue with that.
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I felt like it was believable.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I just, I would have preferred the aging makeup for him only.
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He was really the only one.
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see I don't like the aging makeup.
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I feel like it always looks just like that like aging makeup
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Which, yeah, I guess.
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Yeah.
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I could see it.
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Yeah.
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They also, so Victoria Pedretti and Oliver Jackson-Cohen play Luke and Nell, who are
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twins.
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And they play the older versions of them.
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They're nine years apart.
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He's nine years older.
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Yeah, she was only 22 when they were filming this and she was supposed to be
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playing someone who was, I think, 32.
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So she was, he was playing his age around.
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She was playing older.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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The Bent-Neck Lady twist really got me.
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But the reason I bring that up is because when they were filming the earlier scenes
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with her as the Bent-Neck Lady or the scenes that they show earlier, they
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painted her like blue so that you couldn't really tell that it was her.
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Which I thought was cute and creative.
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her, especially with her hair a lot too.
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Yeah, No, I'll talk about that all day, every day, because that changed my brain
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chemistry.
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what finding out that she was.
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that twist.
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I will never be the person I was before I watched episode five of The Haunting of
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Hill House.
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You can't go back.
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just the dropping, that specific scene.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you have to categorize your life as before the Bent-Neck Lady reveal and
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after.
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You got there.
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Say that five times fast.
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No.
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Yeah, no, that one really got me.
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I was pleasantly surprised by that one.
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Good.
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I wanted to message you every day.
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What episode are you on?
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But I didn't want to, you know.
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me that, I was on the five -shot episode.
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Yes, episode six, which is also a fantastic episode of television.
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Yes, very good episode.
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Like I said, it was only shot in five shots.
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Which, if you watch really closely, there are a lot of errors in it.
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There's a scene where young Hugh steps on a flashlight.
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Just silly little stuff.
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And I guess the directors, Mike Flanagan and...
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I forget who, Daryl Frank or I don't remember.
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Either way, they would literally go through and watch the scenes back and
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decide whether or not they needed to do a retake and they would literally just
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Gladiator, thumbs up, thumbs down.
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The flashlight made the cut.
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So did I.
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I think there's a moment where the older Hugh kind of drifts his gaze to the back
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of the funeral and pauses for a second.
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And it fits with his character because he is a little scatterbrained and takes
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pauses because he's also, we find out, talking to the ghost of his wife.
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But in that moment, that wasn't a choice.
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That was him forgetting his line and looking to Mike Flanagan to get the line
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so that he could say it.
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There are little moments like that, but I think the third shot is the longest.
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It's a little over 17 minutes long of just a single shot.
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They had to shut down production for six weeks so they could basically do
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rehearsals for that episode, which is insane.
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And I love every second of it.
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I don't know why shit like that makes me go feral.
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I cannot get enough of choices like that.
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Filming chronologically or using practical effects or doing things in one shot is
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just, I love that side of it.
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There's another movie that we'll watch that has at a little over 40 minutes of
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one shot.
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It's pretty much the entire last half of the film is just one continuous shot.
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And we'll watch that eventually, but it's so impressive.
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No, I totally agree.
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The number of things that could go wrong is just astronomical.
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I mean, you've got crew, cast, set, so many things could go wrong.
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And the fact that they were able to pull it off and not even just in this show, in
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any show that does any show, movie, whatever, that does things in one shot is
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insane.
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Agreed.
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Yeah.
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And Mike Flanagan, he has said that making this show was the worst and most stressful
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professional experience of his career.
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He apparently lost, Mike Flanagan, he apparently lost 40 pounds in the six
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months that they filmed it because it was so stressful.
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And I'm very, very sorry to Mike Flanagan, but worth it.
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Honestly
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Yeah.
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No, I hate that he didn't have fun because it's such a beautiful production that
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it's...
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I'm sorry he didn't have a great time doing it.
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Thank you for your sacrifice, Mike Flanagan.
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Yeah, I appreciate it personally.
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Mm -hmm.
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Yeah.
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Can we talk about Steven Spielberg?
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If we must.
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We must.
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We must.
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First of all, Henry Thomas is in this movie.
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Had zero idea who he was until after the fact.
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I was like, oh my God, he's the kid from E .T.
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And that's only one Steven Spielberg easter egg.
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The other Steven Spielberg easter egg is, well, there's two more.
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Steve, Steven, the oldest brother, was named after Steven Spielberg.
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And then I guess his production company, Steven Spielberg's production company had
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a big hand in the production of the series.
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So super fun.
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Little Jurassic Park tie.
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We'll always get there.
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Yeah, I knew that because in the original novel, Shirley and Steven are in it.
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And then Eleanor, Theo, and Luke are characters in it, but they're not related.
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And yeah, I think they named Shirley after Shirley Jackson.
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She wrote the book.
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And then in the show, the clinic that...
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Luke goes to is called Sanderson Clinic and that was his last name in the book.
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So little nods.
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There's tons.
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I mean, we could do eight episodes on this show about how many nods to the original
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novel and even other adaptations of it there are in it.
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There's tons, tons.
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Theo is reading one of the author's first books in one scene.
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Oh, The Lottery.
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Yeah, it's a short story.
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It's great.
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Going back for a second to the five shot episode...
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um...
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what's Mike Flanagan's wife's name?
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Kate Siegel.
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Kate Siegel, who plays Elder Theo, not elder, but you know what I'm saying.
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During that filming for that episode, had just found out literally days before that
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she was pregnant.
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And in that episode, she's drunk and she like falls over and hits her head.
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And that scene was one of the more like stressful for Mike Flanagan and obviously.
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Kate Siegel.
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But anyway, they went on to name the daughter that was born that she was
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pregnant with Theo.
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I know.
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That's very cute.
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I do like that.
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Yeah.
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Older Theo, maybe not so much younger Theo.
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Very good character.
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Yeah?
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Was that your favorite of the children?
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Probably?
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Okay.
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I just fucking hate Shirley.
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Sorry, Shirley.
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Not a Shirley fan, huh?
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I think Shirley and Steven were kind of made to be the least likable.
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I think Theo obviously is just cool, so everybody likes her.
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And then Nell and Luke, I think people just have so much sympathy for them that
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it's hard not to like them.
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So, yeah, I would agree.
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I think Theo and Nell are my favorites.
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Yeah, I do like Nell and Nell's whole arc and the Bent-Neck Lady thing really ties
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it all together.
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Yeah.
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They're supposed to represent the five stages of grief though, the kids.
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I heard that and I guess people figured that out before Mike Flanagan even
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confirmed it.
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I think so, yeah.
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He probably didn't even mean for that to be.
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That's actually a great theory, I agree with this one.
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No, but Stephen's denial, Shirley's anger, Theo is bargaining, depression is Luke,
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and acceptance is Nell.
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And I feel like overall they did a really good job with that.
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I think the only, like bargaining's kind of hard to do.
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Yeah.
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I could have believed Shirley or Theo, I think, for anger.
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But everyone else, I think, definitely nailed that characterization.
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Totally.
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Yeah, no, I would almost argue that Theo should have been anger.
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But you know, whatever.
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Yeah.
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I guess I could see it mostly after she touches Nell and she becomes empty and how
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she's trying to get back.
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I could see how she says, you know, I'm drinking her back to life and stuff like
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that.
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So I could see how that era of hers is kind of the example of bargaining that we
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get.
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But I mean, even in that episode, she says, I'm drinking every time I want to
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punch something.
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So.
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That's true, that's true.
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very much exemplifying the anger portion of that.
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That's true.
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I mean, you kind of touched on this a second ago, but the family is very much
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not the focus of the original story.
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And the original story, I guess Mike Flanagan wanted to do just a feature
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length movie and focus more on the house, but came up with this idea to focus more
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on the effects of living in a haunted house, like what that would do to you as a
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child, or as an adult, in Hugh's case.
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or Olivia's case.
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But yeah, I thought that that was a creative take.
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And especially to tie it to the five stages of grief, if that was actually his
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idea and not something that we put into his brain after the fact, was really
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smart.
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Yeah.
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And I don't know, there's so many things that I love about this.
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The fact that the first half, the first five episodes are you seeing the exact
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same story just told five different perspectives.
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Yes.
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If someone told me that they were gonna show me a show like that, I would probably
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say, I'm good.
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That sounds really boring.
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And I would be wrong.
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Last week before I started watching, Dylan comes up to me, my husband comes up to me
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and says, hey, I would just really like to watch the next horror movie with you.
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and I'm like, oh, okay.
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Yeah, no, totally.
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Um, let's do it.
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And I had forgotten that I had told him that we were going to be watching P2 and
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told him, okay, here, we're going to watch Hill House together.
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and he's like, oh.
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Oh, I guess I...
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Okay.
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And he like kind of like, you know, okay, all right.
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He got like five minutes into it and he couldn't watch anymore because he was so
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scared, which is so cute and funny.
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And I was like, well, you said you wanted to watch something scary with me.
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And he's like, well, it was because you told me that we were going to watch P2 and
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that movie looked more like a thriller.
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So he's like, I was just trying to meet you where you were at.
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I know.
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But anyway, um...
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starter list.
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I know we honestly, we really should.
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He likes The Thing.
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Not that that was scary.
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But I mean, that's horror.
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Yeah, that's a great start.
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Yeah.
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That would definitely go, because I want-- all of this started
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because you said, I wanna start watching more horror movies.
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And I said, I'm gonna make you a list.
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And I had originally made a list of a bunch of horror movies that either I liked
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or they were classics that everybody should watch.
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And I had ranked them, I think I labeled them based on Taco Bell spices, mild to
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spicy of like, here's a starter to ease into it.
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mild to fire.
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Yeah, yeah, and so I think it's funny, that was my original plan, was to ease
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someone into it.
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And then I made you watch Martyrs on episode 10, so.
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That was, I shot myself in the foot because I really liked that it didn't have
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a lot of vowels in it.
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That was.
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have given that as an option.
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That was maybe.
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Yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, yes, correct.
00:24:29
But anyway, I regret making him not sit through Hill House and commit to it.
00:24:37
Because it's just, not to get too ahead of ourselves, it is just so well done.
00:24:45
I was gonna have a disclaimer before we even started that just said there's no
00:24:49
possible way for me to talk about this show without you knowing at least what end
00:24:54
my rating is going to be on.
00:24:58
It's a one for-- no.
00:25:01
Hahaha!
00:25:04
Yeah.
00:25:05
It's hard to talk about it without a lot of love and adoration, in my opinion.
00:25:10
Yeah, it's just so impressive.
00:25:12
Everything about it is very impressive.
00:25:16
One thing we haven't really talked I mean, I guess we sort of talked about it.
00:25:20
All of the children, very good.
00:25:25
It's so hard to get kind of a ensemble cast of children.
00:25:30
Just work really well together.
00:25:32
And yeah, they they did a very good job.
00:25:35
Yeah.
00:25:37
Did you recognize, oh sorry, did you recognize young Nell?
00:25:43
She looks familiar.
00:25:45
Violet McGraw?
00:25:48
Is she in something else?
00:25:51
She plays the little girl in Megan.
00:25:57
Yeah.
00:25:58
Oh, little scream queen.
00:26:01
I know.
00:26:02
She's really doing it.
00:26:03
Yeah, she's just like five years older in Megan.
00:26:07
Uh huh.
00:26:08
Yeah, but you're right.
00:26:10
I know, right?
00:26:12
I didn't realize, because obviously, you know, I watched Megan after I watched the
00:26:16
show.
00:26:17
And this is my first rewatch.
00:26:20
Which is kind of crazy.
00:26:22
But it's also a sad show.
00:26:27
I cried on multiple occasions.
00:26:31
Yeah, so it's definitely something that I feel like is...
00:26:36
maybe every year or so I'll watch it.
00:26:40
But yeah, there was a lot of that where I was watching and I was kind of, oh, are
00:26:45
they in the Flanaverse?
00:26:47
Is that why I recognize them?
00:26:49
And her, I just knew, I knew I was like, she has been in something else since this.
00:26:54
I know she has because she looked so familiar, but I did think it was funny
00:26:58
too.
00:26:59
Annabeth Gish plays Clara Dudley, who's the...
00:27:05
housekeeper, super religious in the show, and she's in Midnight Mass as Dr.
00:27:11
Gunning, who's pretty much the only person on the island who doesn't go to church.
00:27:17
And then it took me almost...
00:27:23
I think almost two episodes before I realized that Steven's wife was Bev Keen
00:27:29
from Midnight Mass.
00:27:30
Oh, I recognized her immediately because I hated her so much in Midnight Mass.
00:27:34
hair and she was so smiley and happy and nice and I just didn't...
00:27:39
I don't know and then all of a sudden I think when she opens the door for Luke
00:27:44
when he shows up and I was just staring at her I was like, oh my god!
00:27:52
You put a little red hair on her and she's that bitch!
00:27:55
Yeah, so I recognized people throughout the show.
00:27:58
I recognized obviously the doctor, her husband in this show is also it.
00:28:05
But the only person whose role I remembered from Midnight Mass is Bev.
00:28:12
Yeah, I was like, oh my God, I hated her.
00:28:17
So it was jarring to see her as a sweet little housewife.
00:28:22
Yeah, yeah, definitely a more likeable character in this.
00:28:26
more.
00:28:27
Yeah.
00:28:28
Oh, but the scene where she deteriorates and does one of these.
00:28:35
I know.
00:28:37
But I kind of, he's like the Ryan Murphy of movies.
00:28:41
Well, and I guess TV shows too.
00:28:44
He just loves working with the same people.
00:28:47
I mean, they all do.
00:28:51
I get it.
00:28:52
like it's the most obvious with those two.
00:28:56
Some people, it's, okay, every couple years they do a movie with the same actor
00:28:59
or something like that.
00:29:00
This is every single thing they do has almost the same cast.
00:29:05
Yeah, that's fair.
00:29:07
Which I'm not super mad about, they're all very talented.
00:29:10
So.
00:29:10
Yeah, and to your point, I was trying to place, oh, is this person also in, is this
00:29:17
character also in Midnight Mass?
00:29:19
Which there aren't any, are there?
00:29:20
It's other shows?
00:29:23
Um, well there are people from other shows as well.
00:29:27
I know quite a few of the people in this are in the Fall of the House of Usher or
00:29:32
Bly Manor.
00:29:35
Oh, the characters themselves.
00:29:38
are there any characters that over others because there's a few characters that
00:29:41
overlap throughout the flan verse, right?
00:29:44
Oh.
00:29:46
Oh, I thought there were.
00:29:47
No, I think there's nods to his other works.
00:29:51
Like we talked about in Midnight Mass how the character in one of his other movies
00:29:57
is writing Midnight Mass.
00:29:59
So you see those characters in that, but I don't think anybody's ever actually played
00:30:03
the same character in multiple shows or movies.
00:30:08
Yeah.
00:30:11
But I do, so in this, Carla Gugino plays Kate Siegel's mom.
00:30:17
She plays Olivia.
00:30:18
Kate Siegel plays Theo.
00:30:21
In another Mike Flanagan movie, obviously, called Gerald's Game, which is actually an
00:30:28
adaptation of Stephen King.
00:30:30
We'll watch it eventually.
00:30:32
I didn't realize that was horror.
00:30:34
I thought it was sci -fi.
00:30:37
Kids sci -fi.
00:30:39
Absolutely not.
00:30:42
A child should not watch that movie.
00:30:46
Yep, that sounds about right.
00:30:49
But anyways, in that movie, Kate Siegel plays Carla Gugina's mom.
00:30:55
In a flashback.
00:30:57
Flashback.
00:30:59
So, yes.
00:31:01
And also, Henry Thomas plays her dad in the flashback.
00:31:06
So.
00:31:07
So Henry Thomas is in more than one Mike Flanagan film.
00:31:11
Interesting.
00:31:13
I mean, the rest of the fact was also interesting, but that was the part I
00:31:17
latched on to.
00:31:18
I just like the idea of them all just trading off who's playing who's mom and
00:31:24
dad.
00:31:24
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:26
Oh, that's funny.
00:31:30
Well, should we rate it?
00:31:32
There's so much to talk, I mean, there's so much to talk about.
00:31:35
we could go on and on and on and on and on about I when I started writing down
00:31:43
everything that I wanted to talk about I was at about 12 pages before I was I had
00:31:48
to reel myself in and say let's think about this for a second and how much time
00:31:54
we actually have.
00:31:57
to talk about it, but I do kinda just wanna touch on the red room for a second.
00:32:03
What did you think about that?
00:32:06
Okay, we're just gonna touch on nine other things real quick.
00:32:13
No, but I'm obsessed with the Red Room.
00:32:15
I'm obsessed even more so re -watching it because it's so recognizable once you
00:32:22
know.
00:32:24
You see that window and you're just, oh, they're in the Red Room now.
00:32:27
Oh, they're in the Red Room now.
00:32:28
And I think my first time watching it, I had to look up, you know, when were they
00:32:34
in the Red?
00:32:35
Was Steven ever in the Red Room?
00:32:37
Because it was just this one moment of him in this game room, you know, and it's, oh.
00:32:42
Oh, it's so good.
00:32:43
The set design for that was so fantastic and so well done.
00:32:48
And I love the concept of that.
00:32:49
to expand a little more for people who aren't watching, people who are just
00:32:54
listening.
00:32:54
No, it's okay.
00:32:56
The red room has this one tall skinny window in the middle of the back wall of
00:33:01
the room.
00:33:02
And you can literally take screenshots of each of the kids' rooms, because the kids
00:33:09
each get their own room, and lay them over each other.
00:33:12
It's just, it's very well thought out.
00:33:14
And they don't
00:33:17
They don't ever explicitly say, you know, I mean, I guess they kind of say at the
00:33:22
end, oh, everybody had their own room.
00:33:23
Nell kind of explains it.
00:33:25
Yeah, near the end they do flashes of when they were, and it wasn't just the kids,
00:33:29
Olivia had her reading room, which was also her red room.
00:33:32
I think Hugh's the only person that didn't have a red room.
00:33:36
Mm -hmm.
00:33:38
Yeah.
00:33:39
But anyway, it just it was very well done.
00:33:44
Yeah.
00:33:46
Yeah.
00:33:48
The other set design that kind of boiled over into just the cinematography of it
00:33:57
was the book talk that Steven was giving is the same room as the funeral parlor in
00:34:06
Shirley's house.
00:34:08
And there's a shot where you're looking at, I'm trying to describe this so that
00:34:14
you can see to your mind.
00:34:16
Where Stephen stands to give his book talk is where Nell's body is in the funeral
00:34:22
parlor when she's in the coffin.
00:34:26
Yeah.
00:34:26
So when Nell stands up in the back of the book talk that Stephen's giving, that's
00:34:36
exactly where she is standing in the funeral parlor when she's the Bent-Neck
00:34:40
Lady.
00:34:41
Mmm.
00:34:43
So, and you would never know, they don't call that out at all.
00:34:45
You would never know unless you saw both of those shots side by side, which maybe
00:34:51
we'll link to it or something, I don't know.
00:34:52
But I just love that.
00:34:55
Oh, and there's so many things like that just sprinkled throughout.
00:35:00
There's so many Easter eggs.
00:35:01
There's so much foreshadowing.
00:35:02
There's so many parallels.
00:35:04
I mean, even in the storm episode, again, when young Nell wanders off from the
00:35:09
family and she's spinning through the house and getting lost, it mimics exactly
00:35:15
what older Nell does right before she dies when she's dancing.
00:35:19
And it's just all these little details.
00:35:22
I could never.
00:35:23
Mike Flanagan popped his pussy with this one.
00:35:25
Let me tell you what.
00:35:27
Yeah, and I think that there's an art to being able to call back to things so long
00:35:33
ago in the show.
00:35:38
Movies can't even do that sometimes.
00:35:41
They can't make that big of an impression in a scene for them to know, oh, this is a
00:35:45
parallel.
00:35:46
But somehow, Flanagan figured out how to make scenes so memorable or just pop so
00:35:56
well.
00:35:57
that he could call back to him episodes later.
00:35:59
And it worked really, really well.
00:36:01
Yeah, and not in an over explaining hand holding way either.
00:36:06
It was just so subtle and well done and very, as soon as you see it, it just
00:36:11
clicks where it's, it didn't really need much explaining.
00:36:15
It was just, oh, here's that callback and you immediately get it.
00:36:19
Yeah.
00:36:21
Yep.
00:36:22
Also, small detail, but I really love it, is when Olivia's scolding Nell because
00:36:28
they find Nell written on the wall and Theo uncovers more and it says, come home,
00:36:34
Nell.
00:36:35
When Olivia's scolding her, you can see her holding the chalk that was used to
00:36:39
write it.
00:36:41
So if you're watching it for, not the first time, you can see that and realize,
00:36:46
she was the one that wrote it.
00:36:48
So.
00:36:48
Ugh.
00:36:49
It's just so many things like that where, yeah, once you, if you have a chance to
00:36:56
watch it and you haven't, A, what are you still doing here?
00:36:58
Go watch it.
00:36:59
But also, if you have a chance to re -watch it, it's just as good the next time
00:37:03
you watch it because you can look through and find all these little nods.
00:37:08
I was thoroughly enjoying myself finding all of the little Easter eggs throughout.
00:37:13
Yeah, I'm definitely gonna have to watch it again and see what I can pick out.
00:37:20
What did you think about the end?
00:37:22
You're not always the biggest fan of a happy ending.
00:37:26
I'm not, but I think in this case they just went through so much I really was
00:37:30
okay with it.
00:37:32
And it was still a bittersweet ending because, I mean, they still lost Hugh.
00:37:38
And they didn't have the best relationship with him, but it still just sad.
00:37:45
The show is so sad.
00:37:48
Yeah, which the whole time, the whole time, I don't know where I was going with
00:37:57
that, but the whole time, Theo thought that Hugh abused the mom.
00:38:05
and Hugh kept it from her, like would never expect, not that he knew that
00:38:09
necessarily, but he would have rather the kids thought that he abused her than let
00:38:15
them know what actually happened to her, which is just a level of character
00:38:21
development that you don't see a lot in TV.
00:38:25
Yeah, well, I mean, Stephen thought he killed her straight up, because he even
00:38:31
says, I saw the police reports.
00:38:32
I saw the bruising on her body that someone pushed her.
00:38:36
So all this time, Steve thought my dad killed my mom.
00:38:40
Yep.
00:38:42
Yeah, and he never, I don't even, he didn't ever say I didn't do that.
00:38:49
No, he just would talk about the house.
00:38:53
Yeah, he just let them believe what they needed to believe to move on and.
00:38:57
Yeah.
00:38:57
But I think he also explains it too in the end when...
00:39:02
It's Stephen talking to his ghost and he says, you know, why didn't you ever tell
00:39:09
us?
00:39:09
And the dad says there's some things you just can't tell.
00:39:12
You have to see it.
00:39:13
And that's why you didn't tell your sisters that you just saw my dead body.
00:39:17
So I mean, at that point, if they didn't believe each other, I think there's more
00:39:23
serious issues going on.
00:39:25
At that point, I think it's time to believe.
00:39:29
But.
00:39:29
Yeah.
00:39:31
No, I only bring up the ending because Mike Flanagan wrote Stephen's final.
00:39:39
mon - monologue monologue monologue first before he even wrote the pilot that was
00:39:45
the first thing that he wrote and he agreed with you where he wanted to write a
00:39:49
sadder ending but he just felt like the family went through so much that they
00:39:53
deserved their their little happy seven person ending
00:39:59
Yeah, they did.
00:40:03
Yeah.
00:40:04
I'd love a good sad ending.
00:40:08
In this case, I was okay with it being happy.
00:40:12
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:14
I think I'm with you though.
00:40:15
I like a...
00:40:19
I don't like a sad ending necessarily.
00:40:21
I like a hopeless ending.
00:40:24
Hopeless endings are fun.
00:40:26
tropes ever is called, I think it's called, and then they scream, but it's
00:40:31
basically where the character has a worse fate than death.
00:40:35
And that's my favorite.
00:40:38
I agree.
00:40:39
I think it's so cool when it's just this desolate, oh my God, I would want to die.
00:40:46
Which sounds really fucked up, but I love that type of ending.
00:40:50
But in this case,
00:40:51
I was okay with it having a more uplifting ending, personally.
00:40:58
I wasn't mad about it.
00:41:00
Agreed.
00:41:03
Anyway, we should have done an episode for every episode.
00:41:06
Honestly.
00:41:08
We could've, but that would just be a Haunting of Hill House podcast, you know?
00:41:13
We got a lot of shit to get through, KD.
00:41:16
we really do.
00:41:17
We really do.
00:41:19
The fact that I watched 10 episodes of TV between last week and now is just a
00:41:23
fucking miracle.
00:41:23
And so.
00:41:25
Do you wanna know when I started it?
00:41:28
Yes.
00:41:29
That does not surprise me at all.
00:41:34
Five episodes yesterday, five episodes today.
00:41:37
Yeah, no, I had to pace myself.
00:41:39
I was enjoying it a lot.
00:41:40
A lot of times when I enjoy it, when I enjoy TV shows, I take it a little slower,
00:41:45
especially a mini -series.
00:41:48
Yeah, that's fair.
00:41:49
why I've only watched one episode of...
00:41:53
that one show you told me to watch.
00:41:56
Everybody DM KD and tell her that she needs to watch Sharp Objects.
00:42:02
It's so good.
00:42:06
Whatever, I watched, you gave me a show, I watched it in like a week.
00:42:10
Because it was good.
00:42:12
Just kidding, it wasn't good.
00:42:17
No, it's just, ugh.
00:42:19
But that show is like fun, silly, silly, happy, fun, scary time.
00:42:23
And the show you gave me is like heart -wrenching, kids are dying, people are...
00:42:30
Ugh.
00:42:31
of like this show.
00:42:34
It is, this one does have a little bit of a faster pace, but.
00:42:39
It's still so good though, you have to do it eventually.
00:42:41
You can watch something else, but we'll discuss it.
00:42:46
of the top 10 mini series today.
00:42:49
Sharp Objects was on it.
00:42:51
And the only other show that I had watched that was on it was Big Little Lies.
00:42:57
And Big Little Lies is very, very good.
00:42:59
So honestly, if it's on the same list as Big Little Lies, I really do need to watch
00:43:03
it.
00:43:04
I know.
00:43:06
Anyways.
00:43:07
though.
00:43:10
Okay.
00:43:11
Hahaha!
00:43:15
Should we get into ratings?
00:43:16
Are we ready?
00:43:17
I guess so, yeah.
00:43:20
Okay.
00:43:22
How scary did you think it was?
00:43:24
I thought you were gonna make me ask you.
00:43:26
How scary do I think it was.
00:43:27
I was actually pretty scared in a lot of the show.
00:43:32
I gave it a three and a half.
00:43:35
It's pretty fucking scary.
00:43:38
Yeah.
00:43:39
And it's paranormal.
00:43:39
Gets me every time.
00:43:41
It does get you.
00:43:42
Yeah.
00:43:43
Yeah.
00:43:45
Yeah.
00:43:46
think most of the scares were uncomfortable things like watching Nell's
00:43:52
face disfigure and watching Bev but not Bev you know, rot.
00:44:00
The scene, oh, the scene that really got me when Shirley and...
00:44:06
Theo are driving down the road yelling at each other and then suddenly fucking Nell
00:44:10
is in between the two of them screaming.
00:44:12
Holy shit, I pissed myself.
00:44:15
That, by far, is the scariest scene of any movie that we have watched.
00:44:21
Without question.
00:44:21
Yeah, I think that's one of the best jump scares ever.
00:44:28
Yeah.
00:44:29
red lipstick man is sk - Hell no.
00:44:32
Saw that coming a mile away.
00:44:34
To your point, it's in the fucking trailer.
00:44:37
Nothing could have prepared me for Nell jumping between them and screaming.
00:44:42
Holy shit.
00:44:43
I could not sleep that night.
00:44:45
Yeah.
00:44:46
Yeah.
00:44:48
Shit.
00:44:50
When we first started this, I was like, oh, we're gonna have to do a segment about
00:44:56
the nightmares that I have because of movies.
00:44:58
I have never had a nightmare based on one of the movies that we've watched to date.
00:45:02
I didn't even get a chance to have a nightmare from this movie because I could
00:45:05
not sleep.
00:45:08
it eliminated the possibility of nightmares.
00:45:11
Yeah, I think I need to up it to a four because I think that would be the highest
00:45:14
rating that that I've given anything.
00:45:16
I don't think anything I've rated over a four.
00:45:20
Definitely.
00:45:21
And I'll give it a point five specifically.
00:45:25
I'll bump it up specifically for that scene because it's the scariest scene of
00:45:28
anything I've ever watched.
00:45:29
Yeah.
00:45:32
Scared the shit out of me.
00:45:33
wanted to die.
00:45:38
You're trying to make poor Dylan watch this.
00:45:41
I really, really, it's just such a good show.
00:45:44
It's so beautiful.
00:45:46
It's so thoughtful.
00:45:50
Like, ugh.
00:45:52
Yeah.
00:45:53
Like, so what have you?
00:45:54
He had fucking nightmares watching Heathers.
00:45:57
The musical, the musical Heathers.
00:46:01
The musical Heathers.
00:46:03
Which I get.
00:46:04
I understand in hindsight knowing what the nightmare is about.
00:46:07
I get it.
00:46:08
But like...
00:46:08
Okay.
00:46:11
He's gonna have nightmares.
00:46:13
I love the musical Heathers.
00:46:17
Anyway, how scary did you think it was?
00:46:21
Oh God.
00:46:23
Well, it is paranormal, so you have to give me some credit here.
00:46:28
But there are some good moments of tension.
00:46:31
And even though I knew it was coming, that jump scare still got me.
00:46:37
Yeah, I still jumped, and I knew.
00:46:40
They got in the car, they started talking, I was like, okay, you know what's coming.
00:46:44
I looked away for a second, looked back, and was like, holy shit!
00:46:50
don't even like leave her there long enough for you to recover either.
00:46:54
A lot of times a jump scare is just long enough that you're like, oh, okay, that's
00:46:57
what jumped out.
00:46:58
They didn't even give you that.
00:46:59
No, that jumpscare happens and we're all Theo in the bushes crying.
00:47:03
Yeah.
00:47:05
Yeah.
00:47:06
Which, another thing I forgot to touch on, one of my biggest complaints with Midnight
00:47:16
Mass was that everything was a fucking monologue.
00:47:21
Why does it all have to be monologues?
00:47:25
And maybe I should talk about this later, but whatever.
00:47:31
I'm just excited.
00:47:32
I'll talk about it now.
00:47:34
it did the farther you got in the show the more monologues there were and that was
00:47:38
the first monologue when *Theo's on the ground after jumping out of the car.
00:47:42
That was the first scene where I was like, okay, we're getting back into the Midnight
00:47:46
Mass thing where there's more really really long blocks of text here.
00:47:52
And that was a little draining, but I didn't think that that one needed to be
00:47:55
that long or any of them really.
00:47:59
Anyway, sorry.
00:47:59
Okay.
00:48:00
Anyway, how scary do you think it was?
00:48:02
It was a two.
00:48:03
No.
00:48:05
Stop talking in the movies.
00:48:07
Is that so much to ask?
00:48:10
I just want to see things happening.
00:48:12
Oh my gosh, I won't tell you which, but I actually have a movie on our list where
00:48:16
there's almost no dialogue.
00:48:18
Is it WALL -E?
00:48:21
No, I did not put WALL -E on our list of horror movies to watch.
00:48:27
No.
00:48:29
But I did enjoy it, and it is on our list.
00:48:32
And we'll definitely talk, no, the movie that I'm thinking.
00:48:36
Oh!
00:48:38
I'll I didn't I didn't I didn't I didn't I didn't pI didn't put WALL-E on our list.
00:48:41
What movie is it?
00:48:43
Why I don't want to spoil it!
00:48:47
Although it's pretty like, I realized very early.
00:48:53
I was like, why isn't anybody talking?
00:48:57
Is it Smile?
00:49:00
No, no, so maybe you'll really love that movie.
00:49:03
I guarantee that we're gonna watch that movie.
00:49:04
It's gonna be the worst movie I've ever seen and there's just no winning.
00:49:08
Oh.
00:49:10
Well that would make me sad, because I enjoyed it, but...
00:49:13
sorry, okay.
00:49:14
I mean, to each their own but we can talk about it when we get there.
00:49:19
God, I hate that people listening know what you're talking about and I don't.
00:49:22
That's so infuriating.
00:49:23
Yeah, it's like I have a little inside joke with everybody listening, but not
00:49:26
you.
00:49:28
Yeah.
00:49:28
Usually it's just you and me and our little inside jokes against the world and
00:49:32
then here we are, the world and you against me.
00:49:38
As long as I'm always included.
00:49:40
Yeah, what the fuck?
00:49:42
Okay.
00:49:45
Um, I have a feeling I know this one, but how sexy did you think it was?
00:49:51
This is gonna surprise you.
00:49:54
I gave it a one.
00:49:56
Whoa!
00:49:57
Whoa!
00:49:58
Despite Theo-
00:50:01
Haha!
00:50:03
It was a tone thing.
00:50:04
I was just too sad the whole time to feel sexy.
00:50:11
Because every time she was sleeping, but like every time she was sleeping with
00:50:14
someone I was like, oh my gosh, she's just doing this so that she can feel something.
00:50:19
This show is sad.
00:50:22
Rewatch it.
00:50:24
You'll be like, this is sad.
00:50:25
I cried so many times.
00:50:28
I think because I knew what was coming, but.
00:50:32
I had to check my pills.
00:50:33
Maybe I'm close to my period or something, but I was...
00:50:37
It was sad.
00:50:39
Was it sad the first time you watched it?
00:50:41
Yeah.
00:50:44
You're -
00:50:45
It's a heart breaking story about a family.
00:50:47
You're timing your Hill House rewatches to your cycle?
00:50:53
Me and the Flanaverse are synced up, actually.
00:50:58
Ugh.
00:51:00
Well.
00:51:01
did you think it was like a four?
00:51:04
Okay, that's fair.
00:51:07
I understand why you did it.
00:51:10
I just couldn't get in the mood.
00:51:14
Even some of the ghosts were...
00:51:17
not terrible.
00:51:19
Which one?
00:51:19
Did you like the Bowler Hat Man?
00:51:24
tall spooky Halloween boy.
00:51:26
That's my type.
00:51:28
And you still gave it a one.
00:51:30
I know, in a different world, Bowler Hat Man, you and me would be.
00:51:34
Oh, that was a fucking scary scene too.
00:51:38
Where Hugh is like, Steven, look at me, look at me, look at me.
00:51:42
And then here's fucking Clockwork Orange bitch in his face.
00:51:48
Holy shit, that was so scary.
00:51:53
Right?
00:51:55
yeah.
00:51:56
Well, I knew nothing really happened there, so the tension was gone.
00:52:01
But I remember when I watched this the first time, I was like, this is pretty
00:52:05
spooky.
00:52:06
Yeah.
00:52:09
Also, real quick, they did a lot of practical effects in this.
00:52:15
But one of the things that they did that was practical was Bowler Hat Man.
00:52:20
They gave him extensions for his arms and magnets to like hold his stuff.
00:52:24
And even him floating was a rig that they set up.
00:52:29
Oh, that's kind of fun.
00:52:31
Yeah, and the kittens?
00:52:33
Animatronics.
00:52:35
Oh yeah, I could tell that a mile away.
00:52:37
Yeah.
00:52:40
But a lot of it, like even the cadavers were real, they were dummies with cavities
00:52:45
built into them so that they could dig in.
00:52:49
But a lot of it, a lot of practical effects.
00:52:52
Like the cadavers that Shirley's working on.
00:52:57
So when she's like pulling stuff out of them and cutting into them, they actually
00:53:01
built cavities in the dummies so that she could do that.
00:53:05
Yeah.
00:53:06
it, got got it, got it, okay, okay.
00:53:07
I was trying to imagine somebody dying of like being.
00:53:13
Gutted?
00:53:15
Yeah, no.
00:53:17
She's a mortician.
00:53:20
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:21
No worries.
00:53:22
Yeah, you know, truly was forgettable.
00:53:26
despite being in Twilight.
00:53:27
Oh, she's Edward's mom.
00:53:34
She's the Esme of Renesmee.
00:53:38
Oh my God.
00:53:40
I did not recognize her from that at all.
00:53:44
In my defense.
00:53:47
Hold on, let me make sure I'm not wrong.
00:53:50
Yeah.
00:53:52
Let me just make sure I'm not wrong.
00:53:55
Make a fucking fool of myself.
00:53:56
could see it now, but I just didn't.
00:54:02
Interesting.
00:54:05
Fun!
00:54:09
Um, what's next?
00:54:12
How fucked up did you think it was?
00:54:15
Oh, okay, I gave it a 1.5
00:54:19
What?
00:54:20
What?
00:54:23
Most of it is standard horror ghost stuff.
00:54:28
But I gave it the .5 for Abigail because what a poor little innocent buster.
00:54:35
Her choking on the rat poison, I was like, oh.
00:54:39
That's what you gave it a .5 for?
00:54:42
Yeah, I don't want to see the kid die.
00:54:47
Ugh.
00:54:48
What did you give it?
00:54:50
A 2.5.
00:54:51
Oh, okay.
00:54:52
What for?
00:54:54
I mean, the Bent-Neck Lady scene, for one.
00:54:59
see, I didn't think that was fucked up.
00:55:01
I thought that was brilliant.
00:55:03
Well, yeah, of course, but like also fucked up.
00:55:07
Olivia and like killing our children, that's fucked up.
00:55:12
She doesn't kill the children, she kills Abigail.
00:55:14
She tries to kill her own children and Abigail is an innocent bystander.
00:55:19
That's fucked up.
00:55:22
That's why I gave it a point five.
00:55:24
No, you gave it a .5 because you had to watch a child die.
00:55:28
Miss...
00:55:29
I...
00:55:31
I like it when they kill the kids.
00:55:33
I don't, we've been over this, I don't.
00:55:38
Didn't I just admit I was wrong?
00:55:40
What movie did we watch where I was like, maybe we should stop?
00:55:45
I don't remember.
00:55:46
I think you did say that.
00:55:47
Evil Lurks.
00:55:48
I was like, okay.
00:55:50
We're good.
00:55:51
We've done it.
00:55:52
Let's stop.
00:55:53
That was not a necessary way to kill a child.
00:55:58
If you have to kill one.
00:56:00
Yeah, if it has to be done, not like that.
00:56:03
Yeah.
00:56:06
Um, yeah, no, uh, anyway.
00:56:10
okay, anything else?
00:56:12
You gave it a...
00:56:13
Oh, okay.
00:56:15
Overall, what did you think?
00:56:17
I gave it a 4 .5.
00:56:22
very good show.
00:56:23
And I think the point five I'm docking for the same reason I didn't like Midnight
00:56:29
Mass was just there was a few really lengthy scenes like just talk, talk, talk,
00:56:34
talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, just stop talking, which like.
00:56:41
I have done nothing but talk this entire episode.
00:56:43
So maybe you feel my pain, but.
00:56:48
I talk a lot as well, so...
00:56:50
Yeah, that and the whole Hugh thing.
00:56:56
Okay, that's what.
00:56:58
Those are the only two things in the entire show that took me out of the show.
00:57:03
Like, I was just so frustrated with like these long monologues and the fact that
00:57:07
they recast old Hugh when Hugh was old enough.
00:57:11
I think that's so interesting because the mon - I didn't even really notice the long
00:57:15
- like the longer mon - now that you say it, I'm thinking back and I see which ones
00:57:19
you're talking about, but it didn't bother me.
00:57:23
Maybe because I was just so pissed off about Midnight Mass having so many of
00:57:27
them.
00:57:27
I was expecting them and then when they started showing up more often than the
00:57:30
first couple times.
00:57:32
Um...
00:57:33
Mike Flanagan in your notebook and you were waiting for him to screw up.
00:57:38
Yeah, yeah, I was waiting for him to show his true colors, which is poetry.
00:57:43
I mean, I'm not saying that the monologues weren't good.
00:57:45
I just didn't think they were necessary.
00:57:47
The monologues in Midnight Mass were not.
00:57:50
That was too much.
00:57:52
This one I felt like it was alright.
00:57:55
I didn't mind it as much.
00:57:59
definitely better than Midnight Mass in terms of everything, really.
00:58:06
What did you give it?
00:58:10
I thought going into this, when I remembered back on my first watch and I
00:58:17
was thinking about doing this episode, I was confident I would be giving it a 4.5.
00:58:23
That's what I remembered it being.
00:58:24
I remembered it being a great show and I was wrong because it was even better than
00:58:29
I remembered and I gave it a 5 out of 5.
00:58:34
Because honestly, it was almost better rewatch.
00:58:37
No, it wasn't because you can't really...
00:58:41
replace finding out about the Bent Neck Lady for the first time in your life.
00:58:46
That's crazy.
00:58:47
But it is just as good rewatching it.
00:58:50
And I think that's why it's a five for me because it didn't lose any of that.
00:58:55
It was still so good.
00:58:58
Still got scared a couple of times.
00:59:01
And it was just beautiful.
00:59:04
It was really, it honestly was very beautiful to watch.
00:59:09
everything that I knew about it, now that I've, you know, I'd seen it and read a lot
00:59:14
about it and knew so much about it, so re -watching it, I could really appreciate
00:59:18
all of that a lot more.
00:59:22
And I just think as far as limited series go, this is...
00:59:26
This is up there for me.
00:59:31
It's good.
00:59:33
It's a good show.
00:59:35
Yeah, agreed.
00:59:38
Big fan.
00:59:41
But the real question is would you survive?
00:59:49
No, I would not.
00:59:52
Because I am so susceptible to ghost manipulation.
00:59:58
I just, I would be toast.
01:00:02
Yeah, unfortunately I can see that for you.
01:00:04
Thank you.
01:00:06
It's my one flaw.
01:00:08
Truly.
01:00:09
Um, yeah, no, I'm not.
01:00:14
I'm dead.
01:00:17
Yeah, I'm jumping off that staircase.
01:00:19
Tout suite Post haste.
01:00:26
Uh, what about you?
01:00:28
Would you survive a Hill House?
01:00:32
so I think this comes down to which character you kind of are, right?
01:00:39
That's how I'm basing my survival.
01:00:41
Which character am I most like?
01:00:43
Did they survive?
01:00:45
And I think I'm surviving because unfortunately, I'm Steven.
01:00:53
Yeah, you really are.
01:00:55
If there's three things about me, it's one, I do not believe in ghosts.
01:01:02
Two, mental illness runs in my family.
01:01:05
And three, I'm a sellout baby.
01:01:09
Yep.
01:01:11
Steven.
01:01:13
I know and I hate that about I'm working on it but it's who I am in my core.
01:01:18
not being a sellout.
01:01:20
No, not that part.
01:01:22
Um...
01:01:25
None of it actually really, but I'm at least, rewatching it, I was more- the
01:01:30
first time I watched this, I was like, oh, I'm Theo for sure.
01:01:34
No, I'm not.
01:01:35
I'm a Stephen wanting to be a Theo.
01:01:37
That's who I am.
01:01:39
And I'm self -aware enough to know it, so.
01:01:44
Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.
01:01:48
See, I wasn't really assigning myself one of the characters of the show.
01:01:51
I was just, like, would I survive Hill House?
01:01:56
Yeah.
01:01:58
Yeah.
01:01:58
think I would, because again, I'm kind of a skeptic, and it didn't seem to attach to
01:02:04
the skeptics as much.
01:02:06
Yeah, well.
01:02:09
RIP to you, I guess.
01:02:12
Yeah.
01:02:13
uncommon that I die and you live.
01:02:15
It isn't.
01:02:16
Is your thing updated?
01:02:18
No, it still says 9 and 11.
01:02:20
That's so incorrect, it's crazy.
01:02:24
It's the closest we ever were.
01:02:26
It's the closest spread.
01:02:28
So I like it.
01:02:29
It makes me look less like a...
01:02:30
we ever were was two and two.
01:02:34
Oh, well, the closest spread, like, the spread is just widening from here.
01:02:40
Yeah.
01:02:42
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:45
You've died 26 times.
01:02:49
Which out of 56?
01:02:52
Not bad.
01:02:53
It's less than half.
01:02:55
I've died 17.
01:02:57
I'm nailing it.
01:02:58
yeah.
01:03:00
Whew!
01:03:03
Well.
01:03:05
Yeah.
01:03:06
Normally...
01:03:09
See, this is...
01:03:10
Again, again.
01:03:11
You picked this.
01:03:12
You did this.
01:03:13
You picked the movie for next week.
01:03:16
You've already seen it.
01:03:18
It wasn't even on my radar and you were like, we gotta talk about this movie.
01:03:22
Yeah, have you seen it?
01:03:25
Oh.
01:03:25
Yes.
01:03:28
I've seen them all.
01:03:31
I loved it when we got our suggestion for P2 and you were like, have you seen it?
01:03:36
I was like, yeah.
01:03:39
Come on, KD.
01:03:41
But yeah, next week we're going to be talking about Annihilation.
01:03:45
It stars Natalie Portman and Oscar Isaac, right?
01:03:48
Dameron.
01:03:51
Yeah, Oscar Isaac.
01:03:52
Oh, I was like, I don't know that person.
01:03:55
That's the Star Wars reference, but you know.
01:03:58
Which they're both.
01:04:01
They're both...
01:04:05
Is that is that like another Luke I am your father that they don't actually say
01:04:08
that?
01:04:08
no, no, no, no, they.
01:04:10
They say, help me, Obi -Wan.
01:04:13
Kenobi, you're my only hope.
01:04:14
Yeah, you're right, yeah.
01:04:15
But like, only hope, Obi -Wan Kenobi, okay, start over.
01:04:22
Help me Obi -Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.
01:04:28
Actually, it might be our only hope.
01:04:29
Either way, we're not here to talk about Star Wars, but I'm gonna talk about Star
01:04:32
Wars for a second.
01:04:33
They're both in Star Wars.
01:04:37
Oh my God.
01:04:39
But like different Star Wars's.
01:04:43
different wars in the stars.
01:04:45
next episode?
01:04:47
Probably they're both in Star Wars.
01:04:51
All right, I'll brush up on my knowledge.
01:04:55
any opportunity to bring up John Williams.
01:04:57
Oh yeah, isn't she one of the siblings who kiss?
01:05:01
her?
01:05:02
Oh no, that's, she's the -
01:05:07
Padme, she's Padme, Luke and Leia kiss.
01:05:15
Nailed it.
01:05:17
Natalie Portman had a body double in the movie, like not like a body double in
01:05:23
production, like a body double in the movie.
01:05:26
Keira Knightley.
01:05:27
everything about Star Wars, KD!
01:05:30
So weird, you've never even seen them.
01:05:32
Don't need to.
01:05:35
I think you should.
01:05:37
I don't.
01:05:39
I don't.
01:05:40
I'll end it there.
01:05:41
I don't.
01:05:42
horror movies and you can't even watch one Star Wars movie?
01:05:46
I have watched one Star Wars movie.
01:05:48
Which one?
01:05:50
Oh, that's right.
01:05:51
Solo.
01:05:54
Yikes.
01:05:54
it was not good, so I will not be watching the rest.
01:05:58
I'm so sorry.
01:06:00
Also, you, you, I got it, because I know everything about Star Wars, except that
01:06:08
his name is Han.
01:06:11
That was a surprise for me.
01:06:12
I thought it was Hans, because that's a name.
01:06:16
Anyways, you asked to watch horror movies.
01:06:19
I didn't ask to watch Star Wars, so that's where we're at.
01:06:22
Yikes.
01:06:23
It is for you and not for me.
01:06:25
Once again, I win!
01:06:27
Oh my God.
01:06:30
But anyway, yeah, no, I'm excited to talk about Annihilation.
01:06:32
Not because I like love it or anything.
01:06:34
I'm excited to rewatch because I haven't seen it since the first time I saw it.
01:06:40
Wow, that really cleared up when you watched it for the first time.
01:06:44
I don't know, when did it come out?
01:06:45
Around then.
01:06:48
Yeah.
01:06:49
You see it in theaters?
01:06:51
I would kill to see it in theaters.
01:06:52
Okay, we're talking too much about the movie.
01:06:54
We can talk about it in the next episode.
01:06:57
Yeah, we'll see you then.
01:07:00
Bye.
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