In this very special 75th anniversary episode of Killer Cuties Podcast, we’re joined by Lex from Chasing Childhood to rank all the movies of the Scream franchise! Scream is the iconic 90s slasher that spawned 5 sequels (so far) and has starred the likes of Matthew Lillard, Neve Campbell, Courtney Cox, and Jenna Ortega.
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In this episode, kd predicts the plot of The Watchers, a 2024 Fantasy/Horror starring Dakota Fanning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYo91Fq9tKY
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I'm your number one fan.
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We all go a little mad sometimes.
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Whatever you do, don't fall asleep.
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Have an excellent day for an ex-a-fiddle.
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Bye, mom and dad!
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I see daddy.
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Happy Tuesday!
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Hello!
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Happy Tuesday!
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Welcome to a very special episode of Killer Kitties Podcast.
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Yes, we are here. We are celebrating our 75th episode.
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And today our special guest is our friend Lex, who used to host the Chasing Childhood Podcast,
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which if you haven't listened to, they are finished now, but all of their episodes are still up,
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so you can definitely go and listen. They review old childhood movies and see if they still hold up.
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And we were actually featured on an episode, so definitely check out their old stuff.
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But Lex, thank you so much for being here!
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Thanks for having me. Happy Tuesday!
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Yay!
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So usually we kind of kick it off with a little interview, just to ask you about scary movies,
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because that's like our whole thing.
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Yes. I'm ready. I'm severely underqualified to be here, but I'm excited.
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Honestly, I was too, 75 episodes ago.
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So there's hope for me.
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Yeah, of course. Of course.
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Here for the vibes.
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I'll kick us off with our first question for you.
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Yes.
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What's your favorite horror movie of all time? An easy one.
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Okay. I mean, besides The World's Best Slasher, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory,
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I think it's hard. I think Scream is probably my favorite.
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And I feel like this episode is going to be very biased of me.
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Like, I apologize in advance.
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But I am such a wimp with scary movies. I grew up watching like funny ones.
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So like the scary movie franchise or like Young Frankenstein,
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my first introduction to Ghostface is, what's up?
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From scary movies.
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So I would say probably Scream, but I'm like a baby when it comes to scary movies.
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I really don't know what's out there.
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Hey, that's okay. I think Scream is a great starter. It gets you into the genre.
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It's great. And you and me both, we're both going to be biased.
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Okay. I guess you're still kind of new in horror.
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So I guess what kind of got you into the genre?
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Even if it wasn't your favorite, was there a movie that kind of sticks out as being that movie for you?
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I don't know. I would say it's funny because I'm going to be so cheesy with this.
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Like listening to your podcast and like finding out how many scary movies there are out there
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and being like, okay, I'm a Martian in this world. I need to figure this out.
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I need to grow up and get myself together.
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Like when you asked what my favorite scary movie was before I was like Infinity War, like my brain just doesn't go to like scary movies.
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I'm like, who else is a serial killer? I don't know.
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I mean, yeah, he killed half the population.
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Yeah. I'm like, what I need is for you guys to make me like a playlist of like baby's first Halloween movies.
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And then I'll just go through that. Like I need a starter pack.
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I will do that.
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She literally already has.
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I'm like, I grew up watching Scooby Doo. That's like a gateway, right?
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Yeah, I guess.
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I remember being a kid and like being away at soccer tournaments and my dad would play like Freddy vs. Jason at 6 a.m.
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like loud as shit or like Disturbia and Seven are two that are really good that I like.
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But I like more suspenseful movies, I would say.
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I'm good with the slasher, but suspense is where my heart is.
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Fair. Are there any horror movies that you absolutely hate or genres?
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OK, I wouldn't say I like hate them, but the ones that actually like will make me lose sleep at night are the ones that have like demons involved in them or someone like being possessed.
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Because I think that exists. I know a lot of people don't and like they're not affected by it, but I'm like, if I give bad omens or like bad things around me that much energy, I'm going to start seeing stuff and I'm going to want to square up at every shadow I see.
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Yes. I will go crazy.
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I couldn't agree more. It's like a running argument between Cassidy and I.
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Oh no, her face!
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She like, she gets scared about crime and like crime is not scary to me.
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If you think about it from my perspective, as someone who has a Ouija board that I've been playing with since I was 14, it doesn't scare me because if they could have killed me they would have and they didn't.
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I've been leaving the gateway open for years. They could have had my ass.
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Maybe they're scared of you.
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They should be!
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See, I'm like, I don't like stuff that I can't kill. Like at least with a man or like a killer, I would have a chance because like I'm a little scrappy, like I could try.
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Yeah.
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But let's be real, like I stub my toe when I'm out for the count.
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I'm screwed either way.
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To your point though, a man's killable and I would probably enjoy that.
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Yeah. I'm not having fun killing a ghost.
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Yeah. I'm scary.
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Because then like what happens? Like if they kill you, if a ghost kills you, do you become a ghost and then y'all are just like stuck together for eternity? Like is that, is that a thing?
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American Horror Story Season 1.
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That's basically what happens.
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You're so right.
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But I just think of it like right now in our world, technically ghosts have a zero kill count, zero confirmed kills.
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Men have millions.
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Oh my gosh.
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So statistically.
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Where are you getting these statistics from?
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I'm taking the ghost.
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I need to see the validity of the statistics please.
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We'll link them with the episode.
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Okay, you've mentioned slashers that you like. Are there any other subgenres? Like alien zombies, anything like that?
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See I'm cool with all that. I'm cool with all that. I think it's fun.
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No demons.
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Demons is where I draw the line. Okay.
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Like I saw Annabelle and I hated it. Like I almost pissed myself a few times.
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Isn't that a comedy?
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Annabelle?
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No it's not.
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What's the one I'm calling you Abigail?
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Abigail is a comedy.
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I'm calling you Abigail, sorry.
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You just sent me into like crisis mode. I'm like wait a second, what's so funny?
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Oh my god.
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Oh my gosh.
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But yeah like I think the most recent one that I've seen that I actually really liked that you guys reviewed was Lisa Frankenstein too.
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It's not even really like serious.
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But I like campy stuff. I like stuff that's like so gory that it's funny.
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Like it just makes me laugh.
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Like a penis flying through the air.
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My goal in life is to get more people to watch that movie so I have to mute it.
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Are there any other movies that you're looking forward to seeing coming up? Or even movies that have already come out that you want to see?
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I really want to see The New A Quiet Place.
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I really like that franchise. I think it's a lot of fun.
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And have you guys like, I don't know if your brains work like this too,
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but I like walk around my house and try to see how quiet I can be like just to see if I can survive in that world.
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I would die every time.
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Like it's not.
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Yeah.
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My stomach grumbles and it's louder than anything.
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I can't be left alone with my own thoughts. So I have sound in my apartment 24-7.
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I sleep with the TV on. Like it is never quiet here.
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Oh my gosh.
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Same. Same.
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It's so bad.
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Yeah. But that's definitely definitely looking forward to that.
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Yeah. I would like to be in the office. I love her.
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Yeah.
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Done.
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I know.
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One trip to the bathroom and it's over for me.
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That's so true. How do they stop the pee from making sound?
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They go to the waterfall.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy. That was nuts.
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But then I would have like, I would be like nervous about peeing in a waterfall and then I wouldn't be able to.
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I'd have like, I'd be like shy.
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Like drop on me. I'm shy.
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Pee in the pool.
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The pool. They didn't have a pool.
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Yeah.
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A pool. Find a pool and pee in it.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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It's just blue around you.
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My gosh.
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It's like, I love how we're talking about like a literal alien invasion and I'm like worried about being embarrassed.
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They don't talk about these things in the movie.
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Oh, that's funny.
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Okay.
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That's kind of all we have for the interview section.
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But I'll kick us off with a little introduction about what we're talking about today.
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So we gave Lex the option to choose a movie and Lex decided we're going to watch.
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So we're going to talk about the entire Scream franchise today.
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All six movies.
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Yeah, so the Scream franchise was created by Kevin Williamson.
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It currently includes six films with the seventh in active development.
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Wes Craven famously directed the first four films.
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Some of the stars include Neve Campbell, Courtney Cox, David Arquette, Melissa Barrera, and Jenna Ortega.
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The film series has grossed over $900 million at the global box office.
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And the movies have almost all been commercially and critically successful,
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while amassing a huge fan base, which I'm a part of.
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But yeah, I think I guess we can, should we just start by just ranking?
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Each of us is going to rank them from least favorite to most favorite.
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And I feel like we can just kind of discuss as we go.
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I'll probably yell at someone at one point.
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I'm too fragile for that.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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It'll be me. She means me.
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I'm like Cassidy, did I not just say I'm terrified of public ridicule?
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Did I not just say?
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No, I'm joking.
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The good thing is that I love this entire franchise so much that you really couldn't, like, I'm totally fine with anything.
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And I'm such like a research person too.
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I was researching online what other people said.
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I made my list and then I was like, let's see if other people agree with me.
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Not a single person had the same list as me.
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And I was like, me neither.
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What?
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Yeah, this is a very, I feel like there's a lot of diverse ideas about which movies are good.
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And which movies are bad in this series.
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And there's like two that I was like, I could flip flop them.
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I think there were a lot that I struggled with it because I was like, oh, I like this thing, but I don't like this thing.
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So where do I put it?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Okay, Katie, do you want to go first?
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Sure.
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I'm going to put you on the spot.
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Okay.
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What's your least favorite Scream movie so I can yell at you for it?
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I don't think you're going to yell at me.
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I don't think so.
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I will.
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Just let me explain myself before you start popping off.
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Okay.
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Okay. My least favorite Scream movie coming in at number six is Scream 4.
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I just hate Emma Roberts so much.
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I couldn't get past it.
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I just couldn't get past how much I hate her and she's in the whole movie.
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But I will give this movie credit for having my favorite scene of the franchise, which is where Emma Roberts fucks herself up for three minutes.
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Yeah.
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And it also has the funniest opening sequence.
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So it still has some redeeming qualities.
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Yeah.
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See, I'm not a fan of the opening sequence here.
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I was so confused about that one.
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It's not my favorite, but it is the funniest to me.
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Okay.
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Okay, that's fair.
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Yeah.
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It's not my favorite.
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I'll take that.
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Thank you.
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Number five, I have Scream 6.
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Okay.
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Didn't especially like either of the ones that were made without Wes being alive.
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But I ranked this one lower than five because it was the only one that I was actually able to guess the killer for.
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And that really killed the vibe a little bit for me.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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You don't like guessing.
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I mean, it was fun, but the fact that I got it was a little deflating.
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She's like, I'm used to being right so much.
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It's more fun when I'm wrong.
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I'm always right.
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Just give me something I'm not right about.
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Right?
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It's exhausting being right.
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Right.
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I just want to believe.
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At number four, then obviously is Scream 5.
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I didn't like, I mean, I told you I didn't really like either of the ones without Wes, to be honest.
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And this one had my least favorite opening sequence by far.
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Scream 5?
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Yeah.
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Oh, see, I kind of, this is interesting that we're like opposite on which openings we like.
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Because I like it because you always expect like the opening scene to be someone getting killed.
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And this is the only one where she lives.
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So it was unexpected to me when I watched it the first time.
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I was like, oh my God, like they're pulling a Drubarium or they got Jenna Ortega and they're killing her off.
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So I kind of liked it.
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I think that's why I didn't like it.
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Because I really wanted Jenna Ortega to die.
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I like her.
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I like her too.
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But like I liked Drubarium more and it was so fun when she died.
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Yeah.
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OK, that's fair.
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Respectfully.
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Thank you.
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I'm like crafting my hateful DM to you right now.
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I can feel it.
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I can feel it.
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All right.
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Coming in at number three, I put Scream 2.
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OK.
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OK.
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The killer here, kind of uninspiring.
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I did not like Mrs. Loomis at all.
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She was obnoxious.
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I did love the movie.
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Yeah.
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Terrible.
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I loved the movie and it's by far the funniest one to me, the movie as a whole.
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But I also hated the opening sequence of this one.
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Really?
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This is the cotton one, right?
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Or no?
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No.
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This is Scream 3.
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The theater.
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The theater.
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Yeah.
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Watch your face.
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I don't like her.
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I hate a Pinkett Smith.
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What the?
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I love that opening scene.
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Yeah, I don't.
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Why not?
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It's all right.
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Oh my gosh.
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It's not my least favorite one.
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But I hate it.
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I'm just like observing this.
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I'm about to go get popcorn and just watch you guys go at it.
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Oh my gosh.
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Okay.
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This is, I just want you to know that people online are going to criticize you for putting
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Scream 3 in the top two.
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Really?
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People hate Scream 3.
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That's wild to me.
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Yeah.
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I'm on your side here.
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Oh, thank you.
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You hate Scream 3 much?
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I do.
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I'm sorry.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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Well.
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At number two is Scream 3.
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I only ranked it number two and not number one because of the opening sequence with Cotton.
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I really liked Cotton and I hate that they got rid of him.
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That was just so unfair to me.
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I loved that it was like a new take.
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I loved that it was like a movie within a movie.
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It was just fun.
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I never would have guessed that people hate it.
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I feel like... Sorry.
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Yeah.
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It's not the most well-loved one.
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But I thought it was funny you said Scream 2 was the funniest for you because I think
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Scream 3 is the funniest.
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Yeah?
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They went over the top with the camp.
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Parker Posey in that movie, I laugh every time she's on screen.
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She's so funny.
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I think that's why I didn't like it.
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Because it was too cheesy?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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It felt like a soap opera.
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Yeah.
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A little bit.
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It's definitely... I think it's the most unserious of all of them.
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I get why people think it sticks out a little bit as maybe some would say a sore thumb.
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Liked it.
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But that puts my number one as number one.
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Scream 1.
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It's... I mean, you can't... I mean, it's in theory.
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It's the only right answer.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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It really is.
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Thank you.
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We'll peer over.
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Can we all agree?
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We all agree.
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Scream 1 and number one.
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I'm so glad.
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I'm so glad.
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This was a fight for two through six.
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Like, everybody knows the first one's the best.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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But no, loved the opening sequence, loved all of the characters.
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There's not a single character I did... Well, okay.
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Having just watched that one, I hated Gil Weathers, but now that Gil Weathers has had
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her character arc, I love her, so there's not a single character I don't like from the
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first one.
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A billion still were the perfect killers.
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Just loved it.
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It's so beautiful.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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I accept your ranking.
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Thank you.
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I knew you would.
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All right, Lex, do you want to go next?
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So my last place is Scream 3.
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Yeah.
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Oh, no.
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Sorry.
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I think Sydney having a brother that she didn't know about really killed it for me.
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I was like, this is a little too much.
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And also, it's out of her control, and there was really no interactions between them before
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that was revealed.
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So there was no betrayal factor.
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There was no shock.
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Like, oh my gosh, how could this happen?
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I did like that this was the only one that had one killer.
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I thought that was cool.
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But I also was kind of like, eh.
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It didn't fit in with the rest of them, and I just didn't like it that much.
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That's fair.
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Yeah, fair.
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Yeah.
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So... Yeah, he definitely deserves credit for being the solo killer.
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Yeah.
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He's ambitious.
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Although he was messy, because they found the recording device and stuff in the closet.
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I was like, oh, they got him.
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True.
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He messy.
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Yeah.
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So the fifth one for me is Scream 5.
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I thought that it was a little far-fetched that Billy would have a daughter.
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I did kind of like that twist, but there was really no real motives for the killers, in
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my opinion.
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They were just kind of fans of the stab franchise, and the girl had moved into Stu's house, and
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that was it.
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Also Amber 17, and Richie was 27.
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I was like, that's scarier than the entire plot of this movie.
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So no thanks.
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Yeah.
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Richie should be in jail for a lot of reasons, but that's up there.
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Yeah.
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The one thing I did like though about that was when... was her name Sam, Billy's daughter.
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When she pops off and kind of like lax out and kills Richie, I was like, okay.
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I like that part.
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Although they did kill Dewey, and I was like, yeah, this is ranking low now because I love
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Dewey too much.
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Yeah.
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I like Dewey.
00:21:06
I know.
00:21:07
The next one on my list is Scream 4.
00:21:12
I was so confused by the intro.
00:21:15
I was like, okay, it's a movie and a movie and a movie.
00:21:18
What's actually happening?
00:21:21
I also was very annoyed by Emma Roberts, and I was like...
00:21:25
Thank you.
00:21:26
... considering switching the two of them because those are the two that I couldn't
00:21:30
decide on whether to rank them higher or lower.
00:21:35
But I felt like Jill's motive was better, and it's even scarier to me that that's something
00:21:42
that could happen in real life.
00:21:44
And just looking for fame, basically.
00:21:48
But it is number four on my list because it was very annoying that there was no hospital
00:21:53
staff or police officers at all.
00:21:58
Where was everyone?
00:21:59
Where was everyone in the background?
00:22:00
Yeah.
00:22:01
Four and five, both, really.
00:22:02
Yeah.
00:22:03
Who works here?
00:22:04
What do you mean?
00:22:05
What?
00:22:06
I think a good point though that I can't think of any woman who has just killed for fame.
00:22:20
I can think of men who have done that, but I can't think of any women.
00:22:23
Yeah, I don't know.
00:22:24
So it's kind of fun.
00:22:25
Wow.
00:22:26
The door is open for you to be the first ladies out there.
00:22:28
I've always wanted to go to jail.
00:22:31
Oh my gosh.
00:22:32
So my number three is Scream Six.
00:22:37
I was not happy that there were three killers.
00:22:40
I felt like that was kind of a cop out.
00:22:43
But I did kind of get their motive more.
00:22:46
I was like, I like that the dad was involved.
00:22:49
I was very nervous about the train scene.
00:22:52
I feel like that's one of the scenes that really put it up there for me because I was
00:22:55
actually nervous during that part.
00:22:58
I also didn't know who was going to die, who was going to live.
00:23:02
So many people got stabbed in that movie.
00:23:06
This is probably the movie where the most people live out of the main cast.
00:23:10
I also liked the nods to the previous movies where they collected all the masks and everything
00:23:18
and had their own little lair.
00:23:20
But I will say the end when Sam and Tara go badass and Sam gets buck wild and they just
00:23:26
go off on all three of them, I was like, OK, this is high up for me.
00:23:31
I like that.
00:23:32
That's the one with the kill through the eye too, right?
00:23:36
That was wild.
00:23:37
And through the mouth.
00:23:38
Yeah.
00:23:39
Oh yeah.
00:23:40
Yeah.
00:23:41
I was like, if I ever like if I was in this franchise and that's how I got killed, I
00:23:48
am haunting you immediately.
00:23:50
Like you will not have a moment's peace.
00:23:53
I will make it my whole eternal afterlife to make your life hell.
00:23:58
Yeah, I don't want to get stabbed in the mouth.
00:24:00
That sounds terrible.
00:24:02
My number two is Scream 2.
00:24:06
I like that it didn't take place in Woodsboro because at first, like when I first started,
00:24:10
I was like, why don't people just not go here?
00:24:13
Why don't people just like not associate it with Sydney?
00:24:19
Because it's everyone around her.
00:24:20
Like, why not just like go?
00:24:24
I was sad they killed.
00:24:26
What was his name?
00:24:28
The Rob?
00:24:29
Oh, Randy?
00:24:31
Randy.
00:24:32
Yes, I was sad they killed Randy, but like his goatee freaked me out.
00:24:38
So I was like, I'll allow it.
00:24:40
I was like, West Craven's biggest regret is killing him off.
00:24:44
Oh, really?
00:24:45
Yeah.
00:24:46
Yeah, West Craven really regretted it.
00:24:48
So I was kind of like, we watched this with some of our friends and I was like telling
00:24:52
them all these facts because I have to vomit when it comes to these things and I can't
00:24:56
stop myself.
00:24:57
But yeah, his biggest regret was killing off Randy.
00:25:00
And so when they did Scream 5 and 6, those were like the requels, right?
00:25:04
So they're remaking the original, which is why I did like guess the killer was pretty
00:25:08
easily in those because I was like, okay, it's the boyfriend.
00:25:10
It's the family of the boyfriend.
00:25:12
But so Scream 5, they like fixed the fact that Dewey was supposed to die in the original.
00:25:20
And so they actually killed him off in this one.
00:25:22
And then yeah, and then in Scream 6, which was the requel of the second one, they saved
00:25:28
Mindy who is now like the new Randy because she explains all the rules.
00:25:31
So they were like fixing that because West regretted it.
00:25:35
Okay.
00:25:36
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:25:37
Yeah.
00:25:38
I did find it interesting that one of the killers was Billy's mom.
00:25:43
But I felt like the other guy was kind of dumb.
00:25:45
And he's random.
00:25:47
All he did was just videotape the whole time and stay kind of in the background.
00:25:51
I didn't get his motive at all.
00:25:53
Yeah.
00:25:54
But I did think that one was fun.
00:26:00
It is very fun.
00:26:01
I like Scream 2.
00:26:02
And then Scream 1 obviously is number one.
00:26:05
I was like, I love Billy.
00:26:07
He's innocent in my eyes.
00:26:08
I don't care.
00:26:09
I don't care.
00:26:10
I love him.
00:26:11
Stu's crazy.
00:26:12
I love him.
00:26:13
It's funny.
00:26:14
It's amazing.
00:26:15
I love how scrappy everyone is in the first movie.
00:26:21
I love how Ghostface kind of got his ass beat a little bit a few times.
00:26:26
And R.I.P.
00:26:27
Tatum.
00:26:28
I mean, she was a real one.
00:26:30
Yeah.
00:26:31
RIP.
00:26:32
So there's my ratings.
00:26:33
Sorry to anyone that didn't get a grade.
00:26:36
No, I like it.
00:26:40
I feel like that's a solid rating.
00:26:41
Thanks, man.
00:26:42
As long as one is one, I'm not mad about any other ranking.
00:26:48
Okay.
00:26:49
See, I think the only way anybody could have pissed me off on this ranking is if someone
00:26:56
put number one at the bottom.
00:26:58
That'd be crazy.
00:26:59
Oh, yeah.
00:27:00
Like you are mentally unwell if you do that.
00:27:01
If someone's out there who did that.
00:27:02
Yeah.
00:27:03
Like I'm all about opinions, but you're wrong.
00:27:05
I'm just very wrong.
00:27:08
Okay, I guess I guess I'll go now.
00:27:14
The pressure.
00:27:15
You don't have to.
00:27:16
Oh, okay.
00:27:17
We'll leave it a mystery.
00:27:18
Can I guess?
00:27:19
Are you kidding?
00:27:20
Should we guess?
00:27:21
Yeah, guess what my least favorite one was.
00:27:26
Least favorite.
00:27:30
Maybe five.
00:27:31
I was going to say five.
00:27:32
Did you say five, Lex?
00:27:33
Five.
00:27:34
You guys both think it was Scream 5.
00:27:38
Yeah.
00:27:39
I'm judging by your reaction that it's not.
00:27:43
Is it four?
00:27:46
My sixth place is Scream 5.
00:27:49
Hell yeah.
00:27:50
That was wild because it read me like a fucking book.
00:27:54
Yeah.
00:27:55
I had a really hard time with this because there isn't an installation in this series
00:28:00
that I don't like.
00:28:01
I won't rewatch any of these movies at any time.
00:28:04
But yeah, Scream 5.
00:28:07
I wasn't like what you said, Lex.
00:28:09
I wasn't a big fan of them all having relations to the characters in the original.
00:28:14
I felt like that was just forced.
00:28:18
I don't know.
00:28:19
I feel like I didn't like Richie as a ghost face.
00:28:21
He was just boring.
00:28:22
Amber was kind of cool, but he was so boring.
00:28:26
He was just such a little bitch.
00:28:27
I just didn't, I don't know.
00:28:30
Overall, I feel like I find myself forgetting this one the most.
00:28:35
It didn't have the same impact as some of the other ones did for me.
00:28:38
Yeah.
00:28:39
For me, that was three.
00:28:41
I just kept forgetting about things that happened in the third one.
00:28:43
I was like, which one was this?
00:28:46
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:28:50
Yeah.
00:28:51
At number five, I have Scream 6, which I think is kind of controversial because a lot of
00:28:57
people really loved it.
00:29:00
I did like the New York setting and I liked Annika's character, but then they killed her
00:29:04
off.
00:29:05
They killed the gay and then everybody else got to live.
00:29:08
That, I think, was my biggest problem with it was there were no stakes.
00:29:13
Everybody lived.
00:29:14
They didn't add enough new people to kill off.
00:29:17
It was like one main character dies, three of them are ghost face, and then everybody
00:29:25
else lives.
00:29:26
I think they should have killed Chad.
00:29:27
I'm going to say it.
00:29:28
Sorry.
00:29:29
I agree.
00:29:30
I know he's the new Dewey where he is a human shish kebab and lives every time.
00:29:36
I kind of agree.
00:29:37
I did like the misdirect in the beginning.
00:29:41
I forgot about that part, the misdirect where you kind of think that ghost face is going
00:29:45
to be this guy and he's already unmasked.
00:29:48
Then all of a sudden, the real ghost face comes in and I was like, okay, I like that
00:29:52
too.
00:29:53
Why the heck did they kill her so aggressively?
00:29:56
Help her character a little bit more, make us like her and then kill her off.
00:30:01
Is that the one with the ladder scene?
00:30:03
Yes.
00:30:04
Because she falls off the ladder, that's how she dies?
00:30:07
I kind of like that scene.
00:30:08
That's one of my favorite kills.
00:30:11
I don't mind that kill.
00:30:13
That kill was very brutal, but that was it.
00:30:18
Everybody else lives.
00:30:19
Maybe you look like an evil mastermind just in your lair.
00:30:23
She's got a little mug.
00:30:26
I like talking about world domination.
00:30:33
I do think that that kill is crazy, but again, it's also like, okay, they threw her off a
00:30:37
ladder.
00:30:38
The ghost face, they didn't even stab her, but that's how they killed her.
00:30:45
She got stabbed.
00:30:46
She did get stabbed.
00:30:47
The girl got the lead.
00:30:48
It would be boring if they got stabbed.
00:30:49
It would be boring if they got stabbed and died because they got stabbed every time.
00:30:56
That's true, but then I almost would have liked it in screen five when they light Amber
00:31:01
on fire.
00:31:02
That was sick.
00:31:03
Yeah, that was fun.
00:31:04
That was a good one.
00:31:05
That didn't even kill her.
00:31:06
No.
00:31:07
Well, she had to come back for the last.
00:31:12
They always come back.
00:31:14
Hurrah.
00:31:15
They always come back.
00:31:18
Okay and then in fourth place, I have screen four and I honestly think that this is probably
00:31:24
higher.
00:31:25
We matched on one.
00:31:26
I know.
00:31:27
I realized that too.
00:31:28
I was like, wait.
00:31:29
But yeah, I know a lot of people didn't like this one either, but it came out when I was
00:31:37
in high school.
00:31:38
It came out in 2011.
00:31:39
I watched it when it came out.
00:31:41
So it was the first time that I was the same age as the characters in the movie.
00:31:46
So I think it resonated a little bit more with me because of the age I was when I saw
00:31:50
it.
00:31:54
And also I just love Kirby's character so much.
00:31:57
Katie didn't like Kirby and that's our biggest fight, but I love Kirby because she's a sarcastic
00:32:03
horror fanatic.
00:32:04
That's me.
00:32:05
She's me.
00:32:06
But there's another sarcastic horror fanatic that's also funny and a lesbian.
00:32:13
That's closer to you than Kirby.
00:32:15
That's true.
00:32:16
A lot of people think Mindy's really annoying too.
00:32:22
And I think some people think I'm really annoying.
00:32:24
You're just helping my case.
00:32:27
Oh fuck.
00:32:30
You just lost your own argument, Cassidy.
00:32:32
I know, I really did.
00:32:34
I was connecting the dots and I connected them too hard.
00:32:38
You're like, I made an owl and then I lost.
00:32:44
I'm striving to be a Sydney, but forever a Mindy.
00:32:48
I actually, I know you guys, well, I don't really like Emma Roberts as a person, but
00:32:53
I didn't mind her as it goes days.
00:32:55
I thought her whole commitment to the bit at the end, which Katie said she liked, I
00:33:00
also really liked her just throwing herself around.
00:33:04
And I also think she kind of pulled it back to the original and overacted that ending
00:33:10
scene, which I didn't mind because it reminded me of Stu and Billy just going fucking balls
00:33:16
to the wall at the end.
00:33:19
But yeah, I don't know if you know Lex, but the original ending for that was to keep her
00:33:24
alive and have Sydney's fate kind of be a little bit unknown if she makes it or not.
00:33:29
And I kind of wish they would have kept that because I think it would be so cool to have
00:33:34
a second movie where it's like, okay, Ghostface is still alive.
00:33:37
Sydney might not remember.
00:33:38
They even set it up for that.
00:33:39
Like, oh, she might not remember everything that happens.
00:33:41
You're going to have to help her with that.
00:33:43
So I think it would have been a cool plot to have Sydney connecting the dots and figuring
00:33:48
out that Jill is not a good person.
00:33:52
And have the same Ghostface in two movies.
00:33:54
That would be really cool.
00:33:55
Right?
00:33:56
Yeah, because so far-
00:33:57
A second movie with Emma Roberts would kill me.
00:34:00
I wouldn't live through it.
00:34:03
Well, then you got your wish.
00:34:06
It doesn't have to be her, I'm just saying, you know?
00:34:09
They could still do that.
00:34:11
Any other Ghostface?
00:34:12
Two movies?
00:34:13
Fine.
00:34:14
Fine.
00:34:15
Are you listening, Stu Mocker?
00:34:18
Listen.
00:34:19
Oh my gosh.
00:34:21
I was going to ask you guys that too.
00:34:23
I was going to say, I would lose my mind if he came back.
00:34:26
And they hinted at it.
00:34:27
I, okay, do you want to know my theory that I was spewing at them all when I was watching
00:34:33
this?
00:34:34
Yes.
00:34:35
So, the theory is that, which I think a lot of people share this idea, is that basically
00:34:41
they're going through and fixing the mistakes of the past series, right?
00:34:44
Yeah.
00:34:45
So, killing off Dewey in the beginning and saving Mindy.
00:34:47
And so, the original idea for Scream 3 was that Stu would have lived and he was in prison
00:34:55
or a mental health institute basically orchestrating kills against Sydney again.
00:35:00
Okay.
00:35:01
He was going to be orchestrating high school students, which is why the idea got scrapped
00:35:04
because it came out in 2000 and Columbine had just happened.
00:35:08
Yeah.
00:35:09
Okay.
00:35:10
So, they were like, not a good idea.
00:35:11
Let's revamp.
00:35:12
It'll be on a movie set instead.
00:35:13
So, my idea is that they're going to fix that by doing the original idea and having Stu
00:35:19
and Sydney face off again in Scream 7.
00:35:22
Okay.
00:35:23
What am I at?
00:35:27
Three.
00:35:28
Yeah.
00:35:29
My third pick is Scream 3.
00:35:34
I love it.
00:35:35
I know people hate it and I totally understand why people don't like it, but it's so campy
00:35:40
and over the top and I love Parker Posey in it.
00:35:44
So, I'm just like, it's cheesy.
00:35:46
It's fun.
00:35:47
It's like, I don't know.
00:35:48
It's cheesy, but on purpose.
00:35:49
So, I think it's really entertaining.
00:35:50
Yeah.
00:35:51
Like, they went there and they committed to it.
00:35:53
Yeah.
00:35:54
But I agree with you.
00:35:55
I wasn't really a big fan of this like, oh, he's the killer, but he's also your brother.
00:36:00
Yeah.
00:36:01
I just felt like a little, and then he orchestrated Bill and Stu.
00:36:05
I don't, yeah.
00:36:06
That part I'm like, eh, okay.
00:36:07
Yeah.
00:36:08
You really don't like people to have relatives, do you?
00:36:11
No.
00:36:12
Everybody's an only child in my fantasy world.
00:36:16
No, but I liked the fact that in Scream 4, it was her cousin.
00:36:22
That didn't feel forced to me.
00:36:24
Roman being her half-brother just kind of felt like a random tie-in.
00:36:28
And then Scream 5, because all of them were descendants of the original, that felt forced
00:36:34
as well.
00:36:35
Yeah.
00:36:36
They had just kept the fact that she was Billy's daughter, even though I think that's, I don't
00:36:40
know, that also seems illogical to me, but whatever.
00:36:42
Or they had just kept that Chad and Mindy were Randy's niece and nephew.
00:36:48
That would've been fine.
00:36:49
Yeah.
00:36:50
Like one familiar connection is fine, but the fact that that was it.
00:36:53
We have Judy Hicks' son, who was never mentioned in the fourth one.
00:36:56
She just has a son apparently.
00:36:57
And then we have Vim's, who's Stu's nephew and all of these connections.
00:37:02
I'm like, okay, calm down.
00:37:04
Well, Judy's son would have happened after, between movies.
00:37:10
No.
00:37:11
She would have had to have him in Scream 4.
00:37:13
Oh, really?
00:37:14
Yeah, because he's a teenager and it was only 10 years in between.
00:37:17
Oh, I thought it was 20 years.
00:37:19
No.
00:37:20
Scream 4 happens in 2011 and Scream 5 was 2022.
00:37:26
So yeah, she would have already had to have him when she was flirting with Dewey.
00:37:30
Really?
00:37:31
Not, I mean, single moms are allowed to flirt, but.
00:37:36
Not with Dewey.
00:37:38
I don't know.
00:37:41
Fair.
00:37:42
Um, okay, then my one and two.
00:37:45
My one and two, I think you guys already know, but it's Scream 2 at number two and Scream
00:37:52
at number one, obviously.
00:37:54
I think Scream 2 is just such a solid sequel.
00:37:57
It's like a new, fresh location.
00:38:00
And I feel like it really kept that self-aware heart that's at the center of the original.
00:38:07
I do agree, like, Loomis and Mickey weren't my favorite ghost faces ever.
00:38:12
But whatever.
00:38:13
Yeah.
00:38:14
At least Timothy Olyphant's hot, I guess.
00:38:17
I guess.
00:38:18
If you have to give me a hot ghost face, I guess I'll take it.
00:38:24
But no, and then the first one, obviously, like, it's iconic.
00:38:28
It started an entire franchise that I love.
00:38:31
Yep.
00:38:32
And I know it's cheesy to rank it as number one, but I don't care.
00:38:34
It's the best.
00:38:35
It's one of my favorite movies of all time.
00:38:37
It's so good.
00:38:40
So good.
00:38:41
Like, I hadn't even seen it until last October and I've watched it at least five times since
00:38:47
then.
00:38:48
Like, I love the first screen movie.
00:38:51
It's so good.
00:38:52
I love that.
00:38:53
Yeah.
00:38:54
Oh my gosh.
00:38:55
And can we just talk about, like, the star power in this entire franchise?
00:38:58
Like the cameos that popped up?
00:39:00
I was like, what is going on?
00:39:03
Right?
00:39:04
That was another thing I loved about Three was that Three had so many insane...
00:39:10
Like Carrie Fisher, are you joking?
00:39:12
I was like, what?
00:39:13
She was like, yeah.
00:39:14
She was like the hottest commodity in the years that this was being made.
00:39:18
Crazy.
00:39:19
Can I tell you my theory for Seven too?
00:39:24
Yes.
00:39:25
Please.
00:39:26
Always.
00:39:27
If we don't get a Jamie Lee Curtis cameo in Scream 7, I'm rioting.
00:39:32
Stop.
00:39:33
She loves a real riot.
00:39:34
I mean, she's in the first one.
00:39:35
They've mentioned her in so many movies.
00:39:38
That would be unreal.
00:39:41
Do you want her to play herself or somebody totally random?
00:39:45
I kind of want it to be like how in...
00:39:47
I think it was four when they did the movie within a movie.
00:39:51
I want them to do that, but have Jamie Lee Curtis be Ghostface.
00:39:55
Like just for shits and giggles.
00:39:59
She kills someone in the beginning and then all of a sudden it's like, surprise, it's
00:40:02
a movie right after she's unmasked as Jamie Lee Curtis.
00:40:05
Wait, that would be amazing.
00:40:07
I'm so done.
00:40:09
Scream 7?
00:40:10
Yeah, come on.
00:40:12
We need Stu and we need Jamie Lee Curtis.
00:40:14
Yeah.
00:40:15
I do love though that Matthew Lillard has said that he would come back.
00:40:18
He's a hundred percent a believer that Stu's still alive.
00:40:22
He's like, I'll throw a TV on myself right now and prove to you that I would have lived.
00:40:27
He's in.
00:40:28
We love the dedication.
00:40:30
Yeah.
00:40:31
But I think it's funny too is that it's so split on if Scream 6 confirmed that either
00:40:38
he was alive or dead.
00:40:40
There's people who are on both ends of the spectrum and I think that that's so funny
00:40:44
because on one hand you have Mindy and Kirby talking and Kirby mentions that Stu's dead
00:40:51
and Kirby's like, well, if you believe that he's dead.
00:40:54
A lot of people took that to mean like, oh, they're still like hinting that he could be
00:40:59
alive.
00:41:00
Yep.
00:41:01
But then a lot of people see when Kirby has like all of the Ghostface on the whiteboard
00:41:05
and is kind of going through the timeline under his picture, it says died in 1996.
00:41:11
So some people took that as like, well, the FBI says he's dead.
00:41:15
So he's dead.
00:41:16
So it's very split amongst fans and I am a Matthew Lillard lover.
00:41:22
So I will always hold out hope.
00:41:26
Yeah.
00:41:27
That was funny because like that comment, I was like, okay, he might be alive, but then
00:41:32
like why else would they have the TV and why would it be in like evidence if it wasn't
00:41:37
actually like something that murdered someone?
00:41:42
So that's where my brain was.
00:41:43
Now I'm like, I'm conflicted, but obviously I want to see him back.
00:41:47
I think, yeah, I do think it would be a little bit illogical that people don't know whether
00:41:51
he's alive or not.
00:41:52
Like why would you not know?
00:41:55
I feel like that would be very big news if a serial killer survived and was in jail somewhere.
00:42:01
True.
00:42:03
But I'm willing to suspend my belief to have Stumakar back.
00:42:06
I'll do it.
00:42:07
Twist my arm.
00:42:08
I'll do that for you.
00:42:09
Even if they did like a flashback or something and they had to like CGI him young, that would
00:42:15
still be fun.
00:42:16
Would they?
00:42:17
Because they didn't CGI Skeetal Rick young.
00:42:19
They just had him 50 years old.
00:42:23
Yeah, that's true.
00:42:24
As a ghost.
00:42:25
Which honestly, I kind of respect.
00:42:28
I think that's kind of funny.
00:42:31
Yeah, it was very funny.
00:42:35
She had to be an infant.
00:42:38
She doesn't remember her.
00:42:39
Like she doesn't even know what that guy like she doesn't know what he sounds like or what
00:42:42
he looks like in the end.
00:42:44
Why is he wearing the outfit he wore when he kills?
00:42:47
Like we're at the end of the movie.
00:42:51
Yeah, that was like one of the major plot points that really bothered me.
00:42:56
He's like her fairy godmother.
00:42:58
He did not have a kid.
00:43:01
Or the little devil on your shoulder.
00:43:06
Yeah that was definitely like an interesting choice that they made and I both love it and
00:43:13
hate it at the same time.
00:43:18
But I do I wonder if they kind of wanted Sam as a character because another thing the community
00:43:25
is very split about is a lot of people want Sydney to become a ghost face.
00:43:31
A lot of other people know that Wes Craven's two things.
00:43:38
Was Craven one said Sydney should never die and two said Sydney should never become ghost
00:43:44
face.
00:43:45
So I think a lot of me personally like I don't want that to happen because I want to respect
00:43:50
Wes's wishes.
00:43:51
He gave me a series that I fucking love so I'm gonna respect that man.
00:43:58
But I almost wonder if they made Sam as someone who could kind of walk that line a little
00:44:04
bit without messing up Wes's vision.
00:44:07
Be like oh here's our main girl like could she be a ghost face at one point?
00:44:12
Could she not?
00:44:13
Yeah that makes sense because like it wouldn't make sense for Sydney to be ghost face at
00:44:16
all.
00:44:17
I don't think so either.
00:44:18
Now we'll never get that.
00:44:19
How do you know?
00:44:20
Didn't she get fired?
00:44:21
Oh Sam.
00:44:22
Yeah.
00:44:23
Yeah I thought you meant Sydney.
00:44:24
Oh no sorry.
00:44:25
She's coming back.
00:44:26
Oh she got fired?
00:44:27
The girl that played Sam?
00:44:28
Well so yeah.
00:44:29
We should talk about this.
00:44:30
Yeah Melissa Barrera.
00:44:31
We've touched on it before in like our news segments and stuff but she was fired.
00:44:40
She basically spoke out and said she called for a ceasefire for Palestine and they fired
00:44:47
her over that which.
00:44:49
Oh wow.
00:44:50
And Jenna Ortega like stepped down or something like that too?
00:44:53
Yeah so like a day later it was like Jenna Ortega quit too because Jenna Ortega and Melissa
00:44:59
Barrera became very very good friends on set.
00:45:02
And Jenna also had posted stuff so it was like very interesting that they chose to fire
00:45:07
Melissa Barrera but not Jenna Ortega because they know Jenna Ortega is the one that's going
00:45:11
to bring money in.
00:45:12
Yeah.
00:45:13
So yeah that was like a whole huge mess and then in Scream 6 the reason Neve Campbell
00:45:19
wasn't in it was because they basically lowballed her and wouldn't like meet her salary demands.
00:45:26
And so she wasn't in Scream 6 for that reason.
00:45:29
Now they know they kind of fucked up with Sam and Tara not being in it so they got her
00:45:35
back.
00:45:36
But yeah it was just like a whole huge mess.
00:45:39
Yeah I mean the real question is are we ever going to see Sidney's dad again because this
00:45:44
man dipped.
00:45:45
Like he's like the only one in close relation to Sidney that's still alive and he just was
00:45:51
like I'm gone.
00:45:53
Like I'm not playing this bullshit I'm out.
00:45:54
Seriously I respect it.
00:45:57
He probably moved to Europe he's like I'm not getting involved in this shit again.
00:46:01
Yeah.
00:46:02
I just hope they bring Mark back.
00:46:04
I do too which they kind of hinted at in Scream 6.
00:46:08
I don't know if you caught that Lex but.
00:46:11
I didn't.
00:46:13
Yeah so when they ask where I was literally just so you're aware I was like pausing the
00:46:18
movie and like showing them Easter eggs.
00:46:20
They were probably so annoyed with me.
00:46:23
I'm like in Scream 5 I like paused and was like circling I'm like do you see that because
00:46:28
they just improved Kirby's alive.
00:46:32
But no so in Gail is having a conversation and basically says oh no Sidney's gone she's
00:46:37
with Mark and the kids.
00:46:38
And so everybody's assuming that they mean Mark Patrick Dempsey in Scream 3 and that
00:46:44
they got together.
00:46:45
Oh I did not even put them together.
00:46:48
Right yeah.
00:46:49
Wow.
00:46:50
And so a lot of people are hoping that Patrick Dempsey comes back to the series as well.
00:46:54
Okay I approve they were cute.
00:46:56
Yeah.
00:46:57
I also really love Josh Sagara so like if he comes back in Scream 7 I will not be sad
00:47:02
about it.
00:47:03
He plays Danny.
00:47:04
Wait.
00:47:05
Yeah yeah yeah the boyfriend.
00:47:08
Yeah.
00:47:09
He's cute.
00:47:10
For obvious reasons I want to see him in Scream 7.
00:47:15
Yeah the acting.
00:47:18
Nothing to do with how attractive he is.
00:47:21
Oscar worthy.
00:47:22
I did like his character though.
00:47:24
Yeah.
00:47:25
I felt like that was like a good little addition.
00:47:27
I agree I love how like ride or die he was but I was kind of annoyed with the part where
00:47:31
Sam was like anyone could be Ghostface yet she like still goes with two other people
00:47:38
and I'm like you're pushing Danny away into like the middle of the night.
00:47:42
I love that they're all like oh the rules of the franchise we know who the killer is
00:47:48
and so in a room full of everyone they know they say here's our plan we're gonna go to
00:47:52
the theater and trap him.
00:47:53
Yeah.
00:47:54
Bitch they're in the room with you right now what do you mean?
00:48:00
Literally.
00:48:01
We're selling the plan in front of the suspects.
00:48:06
We gotta use our plans a little bit.
00:48:09
So dumb.
00:48:10
Yeah.
00:48:11
So dumb.
00:48:12
Okay I want to know who everybody's favorite characters were of the series.
00:48:17
You don't have to say Sydney, Gail, and Dewey we all know that it's Sydney, Gail, and Dewey.
00:48:21
We're just gonna assume everybody loves Sydney, Gail, and Dewey.
00:48:25
I don't love Sydney.
00:48:27
Wow.
00:48:28
I like Sydney.
00:48:29
No we're through.
00:48:32
This is now a Lex and Cassidy podcast get out.
00:48:35
I like her.
00:48:36
Happy Tuesday.
00:48:37
She's not my favorite.
00:48:38
I just don't like that you're assuming that my favorite character is Sydney because it's
00:48:46
not.
00:48:47
She's not one of your favorite characters?
00:48:50
I mean she's up there definitely but.
00:48:53
Here we go.
00:48:54
She's not my top three.
00:48:55
Alright top three.
00:48:57
Gail.
00:48:58
Duh.
00:49:00
That was a safe assumption.
00:49:03
Randy.
00:49:04
Yeah.
00:49:05
For his humor and horror movie knowledge.
00:49:07
And Mindy for the same reason and for being the gay who lives.
00:49:12
That's true.
00:49:13
Icon.
00:49:14
Yeah.
00:49:15
Yes.
00:49:16
I love Sydney, Dewey, and Gail.
00:49:18
They're like the trifecta of everything that I know and love.
00:49:22
I loved them.
00:49:23
I also like I said I love the dad, Neil.
00:49:26
He's like I'm gone.
00:49:27
I was like if I was to be any character in Scream I would want to be him or like someone
00:49:32
from a flashback like her mom.
00:49:34
Like it's amazing.
00:49:37
And then obviously Danny for personal reasons.
00:49:41
Yes.
00:49:42
Fair.
00:49:43
Very fair.
00:49:44
I love it.
00:49:45
I love it.
00:49:46
I have a lot of characters that I love because I just I have a lot of love in my heart for
00:49:51
this series.
00:49:53
I am so surprised no one said Tatum because I love Tatum.
00:49:57
Oh my gosh.
00:49:58
Tatum.
00:49:59
Obviously Stuart and Billy.
00:50:00
I did like Halle.
00:50:01
Yeah.
00:50:02
Oh yeah.
00:50:03
So I was separating them from like ghost face.
00:50:06
Yeah.
00:50:07
Not a ghost face character.
00:50:08
Yeah.
00:50:09
But I also really love Kirby.
00:50:11
I love Jennifer which is Parker Posey's character in Scream 3.
00:50:14
She's hilarious.
00:50:15
And then I kind of have to say Cece in Scream 2 just because she's played by Sarah Michelle
00:50:20
Geller.
00:50:21
Oh my gosh.
00:50:22
And I love Sarah Michelle Geller.
00:50:23
She's the best.
00:50:24
Yeah.
00:50:25
Big fan of her.
00:50:26
Yeah.
00:50:27
I mean I don't really think anyone else really stands out as being like such a good character.
00:50:34
I'm trying to think of someone that I like that like stands out.
00:50:38
I think Annika like had potential for me to really like her but then they killed her so
00:50:41
it's kind of like uh okay.
00:50:44
Her and a hundred other people.
00:50:46
Yeah.
00:50:47
Her who?
00:50:48
In which movie?
00:50:49
Because no one died in Scream 3.
00:50:52
Fair.
00:50:53
The bodega customer.
00:50:54
I mean like as a whole the franchise killed off a lot of people that we could have grown
00:51:01
to love.
00:51:02
Yeah.
00:51:03
That's true.
00:51:04
That's true.
00:51:05
But I do think it's interesting.
00:51:06
I guess Annika like didn't have as much screen time but like it's crazy how attached you
00:51:09
can get to a character like Tatum.
00:51:11
Even though she still dies in one movie it's like everybody loves her.
00:51:15
She's so iconic.
00:51:16
Wait.
00:51:17
The cops.
00:51:18
Yeah.
00:51:19
I don't think a lot of people in Scream 4.
00:51:20
From the second one I think it was it was like Anthony.
00:51:24
Oh the fourth one.
00:51:25
Anthony Perkins and Adam Brody.
00:51:28
Yes.
00:51:29
Yeah they were funny.
00:51:30
I love them.
00:51:31
They were a lot of fun.
00:51:32
I like Gale's second cameraman too.
00:51:35
Oh Joel I think.
00:51:37
Yes.
00:51:38
He was hilarious.
00:51:39
He was the funniest character in all of the entire series.
00:51:42
Yeah.
00:51:43
I loved him.
00:51:44
No.
00:51:45
That's Parker Posey.
00:51:46
No he was really funny in Scream 2 though.
00:51:50
Yeah.
00:51:51
I've read about what happened to your last camera guy.
00:51:54
I'm about to die.
00:51:57
Randy Guy made that up.
00:51:58
He got slashed in the throat.
00:52:00
That's worse.
00:52:01
And then like literally three seconds later Randy gets slit in the throat.
00:52:06
No.
00:52:07
Poor Randy.
00:52:08
That was wild because that was like broad daylight.
00:52:10
Right?
00:52:11
Yeah.
00:52:12
I was like wow they really did my man's Randy like that.
00:52:14
That is dirty.
00:52:15
I know.
00:52:16
Wow.
00:52:17
I think that was like confirmed that that was Mrs. Loomis right?
00:52:21
So that's also a fun rabbit hole.
00:52:24
If you ever want to spend like 30 minutes of your time just go through the rabbit hole
00:52:28
of like who killed who in each movie.
00:52:30
Oh yeah.
00:52:31
Oh my gosh.
00:52:32
Great.
00:52:33
I can't.
00:52:34
I would crush it.
00:52:35
I would crush it in three.
00:52:36
I would do terrible.
00:52:37
Number three.
00:52:38
I know every kill.
00:52:39
Oh some are a little fishy to me.
00:52:48
You're so in tune with Ghostface.
00:52:54
Who knew?
00:52:55
Who's everybody's least favorite character?
00:52:58
I don't like Derek in Scream 2.
00:53:02
I know he means well but him singing on the table to her was very cringe.
00:53:06
That was a lot.
00:53:07
That made me so uncomfortable.
00:53:09
I wanted it to end very soon.
00:53:12
Hated Trevor in Scream 4.
00:53:14
He sucked.
00:53:16
And then Angelina in Scream 3, the one who was like playing Sydney in the movie.
00:53:19
She was just kind of obnoxious to me.
00:53:21
Yeah.
00:53:22
Just whiny and annoying.
00:53:23
Yeah.
00:53:24
I don't know.
00:53:25
I feel like I wasn't a big fan of Cotton.
00:53:28
I felt like as a character who was like proven innocent in the first movie and the second
00:53:35
movie he was so aggressive and I was like you're just making it worse for yourself.
00:53:39
Oh my god when he's like oh I bet that TV spot sounds pretty good now.
00:53:44
Yeah.
00:53:45
Which, you're making me like you.
00:53:50
And then I wasn't a big fan of Roman.
00:53:52
I mean everyone else to me was kind of fine but I feel like Roman was just kind of a bias
00:53:58
thing because I didn't really like the third one.
00:54:00
But he didn't have much to work with.
00:54:03
Fair fair.
00:54:05
Who's yours, Katie?
00:54:06
Emma Roberts.
00:54:07
Oh.
00:54:08
Jill.
00:54:09
She said in real life and in the movie.
00:54:12
Yeah.
00:54:13
Yeah.
00:54:14
No I just couldn't get past.
00:54:17
I just hate her fucking face.
00:54:18
I just don't like her.
00:54:21
And then I had really high expectations for Kirby and she just like did not live up to
00:54:24
that for me.
00:54:25
Yeah.
00:54:26
Even though it was a far superior Kirby equivalent.
00:54:31
So yeah.
00:54:33
You know who also really got on my nerves in the fifth movie?
00:54:38
Was it the fifth movie?
00:54:39
I think it was the sixth movie.
00:54:40
Was actually Tara.
00:54:42
Like specifically.
00:54:43
Oh, Jenna Ortega.
00:54:44
Yeah.
00:54:45
Specifically at the beginning when they were like ghost faces back and Sam is trying to
00:54:50
like get her in the freaking house and Tara's like I want to go party.
00:54:54
I want to be a college kid.
00:54:55
I can't hide forever.
00:54:56
I'm like what?
00:54:57
This man literally stabbed you so many times in the fifth movie and you're like I'm just
00:55:03
going to stay out.
00:55:04
Like that's just dumb.
00:55:05
Yeah, that's fair.
00:55:06
That really annoyed me.
00:55:07
But by the end of it we were fine.
00:55:09
We were besties again.
00:55:10
Yeah.
00:55:11
I honestly feel like they only set up the tension between them at the beginning so that
00:55:16
they could come back to it in the end and be like you have to let me go.
00:55:19
Like off the balcony.
00:55:20
Like they were like how do we fit that in?
00:55:23
Yeah right.
00:55:24
Backwards screenwriting.
00:55:25
Yep.
00:55:26
That's right.
00:55:27
Okay favorite ghost face.
00:55:28
Ew.
00:55:29
We all know mine.
00:55:30
Yeah.
00:55:33
Stu and Billy.
00:55:35
Gotta be.
00:55:36
Definitely.
00:55:37
Yeah that's definitely one and two for me.
00:55:38
Yeah.
00:55:39
Yeah.
00:55:40
Stu for me obviously.
00:55:41
Billy's a close second.
00:55:43
And then I mean I said this before you gotta give props to Roman for being a one man show.
00:55:47
That must have been so exhausting for him.
00:55:48
Yeah.
00:55:49
Like who needs cardio?
00:55:50
He needed to get a lackey.
00:55:51
Why didn't he get a lackey?
00:55:54
Yeah.
00:55:55
There's like interns and aspiring actresses.
00:55:59
He could have gotten any number of people.
00:56:01
I was gonna say like Richie had Amber.
00:56:04
She did most of the kills.
00:56:06
Jill had Charlie.
00:56:07
He did most of the kills.
00:56:09
Mrs. Loomis had Mickey.
00:56:10
Yeah Mrs. Loomis didn't even let her finger.
00:56:11
Get yourself a lackey.
00:56:12
Yeah.
00:56:13
Well she killed Randy so.
00:56:14
And apparently she had all the time in the world too because they had time to threaten
00:56:21
Sydney on AIM.
00:56:23
Like did they have an hour for the internet to load back then?
00:56:28
I'm gonna do that Roman is dial up just like.
00:56:31
They're just waiting.
00:56:32
Oh my god.
00:56:33
Too funny.
00:56:34
So stupid.
00:56:35
Yeah.
00:56:36
I'm also amazed by like the end of the Scream franchise that Sydney doesn't have like John
00:56:44
Wick level skills.
00:56:46
Like I would be training in martial arts.
00:56:49
I'd be like an assassin.
00:56:51
I Scream 6.
00:56:52
I'm sorry.
00:56:53
I think it was like they started to touch on that in Scream 5.
00:56:58
I feel like I would have taken some classes maybe after the second time a serial killer
00:57:01
came after me but that's just me.
00:57:03
Maybe even after the first time.
00:57:06
But I did like in Scream 5 the moment where they're like begging Tara and Sam to stay.
00:57:13
Like Gail and Sydney are like we're going after this motherfucker.
00:57:15
We're not gonna sit around and wait.
00:57:17
Like we're gonna find him and kill him so like stay with us and help us.
00:57:21
So I did like that.
00:57:22
They kind of took their power back a little bit in the Sith one.
00:57:26
And they teamed up to kill the girl who killed Dewey.
00:57:29
I was like yes.
00:57:30
Yeah.
00:57:31
I like that scene.
00:57:32
I do too.
00:57:33
I don't mind Amber as a ghost face at all.
00:57:35
I thought she was funny.
00:57:36
They're like fucking hand sanitizer.
00:57:37
She just smashed it over her face.
00:57:41
She definitely like flipped the script from a very attentive caring friend to a psycho
00:57:47
like that.
00:57:48
Like the switch was good.
00:57:49
Yeah.
00:57:50
The one thing I would say though.
00:57:51
Sorry if you could save.
00:57:52
Oh sorry.
00:57:53
Yeah no go.
00:57:54
I don't want to say the-
00:57:55
The one thing I will say about like Amber and like a few of the other like female ghost
00:58:00
faces and I saw people pointed out online was like first of all the height difference.
00:58:04
Like let's be real.
00:58:05
I feel like ghost face as an entity is supposed to feel larger than life.
00:58:10
So obviously they use like someone who's like 6'2 and like 200 pounds.
00:58:14
You mean to tell me Emma Roberts is under that?
00:58:17
Like let's be real.
00:58:19
And then also like it was so funny to see like a bunch of the people like their demeanor
00:58:26
change when they were uncovered as ghost face and their like eyes would get all big and
00:58:29
then be like now I'm crazy.
00:58:30
And I'm like you don't have to do all that.
00:58:36
Yeah they definitely kind of-
00:58:38
They lean into it a lot.
00:58:41
Yeah and I think that stems from just the first one and Matthew Lillard and his bull
00:58:46
doing snowballs to the wall.
00:58:49
But yeah I agree.
00:58:51
I think I kind of excuse the whole the height difference thing just because it keeps you
00:58:58
guessing right?
00:58:59
Like they can't give it away and be like oh here's a 5'2 ghost face.
00:59:01
Like guess who it is?
00:59:06
But I do think in some of the later ones I didn't like as much how like strong and unwavering
00:59:13
ghost faces became.
00:59:14
They're like supernatural.
00:59:15
Right like Amber picking Dewey up in the hospital and slamming him.
00:59:20
I'm like okay maybe let's calm down.
00:59:23
Because I loved in the first one how like they're fumbling around they're falling downstairs
00:59:28
because they're people.
00:59:30
Like that was kind of the whole point is that they're just these guys dressed in a suit.
00:59:35
And so I think they kind of lost that in the newer ones.
00:59:37
They wanted him to be more menacing and intimidating and so it kind of pushed it a little bit farther
00:59:42
than I'd like them to.
00:59:44
Yeah, meanwhile by the end of it it's like one on top of the other one shoulders.
00:59:49
Like chasing people around.
00:59:54
Like kids trying to sneak into a movie.
00:59:57
Yeah ghost face was actually just Ethan and Quinn stacked on top of each other in the
01:00:01
sixth one.
01:00:02
Because that's so true.
01:00:04
I also super loved ghost face's first gun kill.
01:00:08
That really took me out of it.
01:00:09
Like oh that's not ghost face at all.
01:00:11
Yeah.
01:00:12
I think that was in the fifth one.
01:00:13
Or was it in the sixth one?
01:00:14
I think that was in the sixth one.
01:00:15
In the sixth one?
01:00:16
That was his first masked gun kill.
01:00:17
Yeah.
01:00:18
Yeah.
01:00:19
Because ghost face has had guns in the past.
01:00:25
In the fifth one Amber shoots I think it's Liv.
01:00:28
She's unmasked.
01:00:29
That's like her reveal.
01:00:32
But I think it's in the bodega where he's masked and he kills the first person.
01:00:37
Yeah that just took me out of it because that's so not ghost face.
01:00:42
I don't know.
01:00:43
I didn't mind it.
01:00:44
I think also knowing retroactively that that was Detective Bailey like it would make sense
01:00:49
that he would revert to a gun.
01:00:51
That's true.
01:00:52
He's a police officer.
01:00:53
So I didn't mind it.
01:00:55
I thought it was kind of like a I mean when that trailer came out people lost their goddamn
01:01:00
minds because that clip was in there.
01:01:02
Everybody was like he's got a gun.
01:01:09
But okay if you could save any character who would you save?
01:01:13
Besides Dewey.
01:01:14
Tatum.
01:01:15
You can include Dewey.
01:01:19
You're saving both the Riley's.
01:01:20
I like it.
01:01:22
Yeah.
01:01:23
They deserved so much better.
01:01:24
All right.
01:01:25
All right.
01:01:26
You know what actually to keep this mess alive save Sydney's mom.
01:01:33
Okay.
01:01:34
The woman who started the whole thing.
01:01:37
Yes.
01:01:40
Surprise she's alive.
01:01:41
She's ghost face and scream six.
01:01:43
Sorry.
01:01:44
It's seven.
01:01:45
My bad.
01:01:46
I like it.
01:01:47
I would also save Dewey because I don't think he deserved to die and I also don't think
01:01:52
that Gail deserved to die.
01:01:53
But I do think that Gail deserved to die.
01:01:56
You trade them.
01:01:58
I think so.
01:01:59
Well is Gail did Gail live at the end of six?
01:02:02
Yeah.
01:02:03
Isn't that open ended?
01:02:04
Okay.
01:02:05
I think they say like, oh, we got to go back to the hospital to finish off Gail.
01:02:08
So it's implied she is alive.
01:02:10
Yeah.
01:02:11
Well, I don't want her to die.
01:02:14
Yeah.
01:02:15
If she had died, she would have deserved it.
01:02:16
But I don't think she deserved for Dewey to die and Dewey definitely deserved to die.
01:02:21
So that's another thing that really bothered me about the franchise too.
01:02:24
Like the on off with Dewey and Gail.
01:02:27
I was like, are you guys on or are you off?
01:02:29
Like I don't understand.
01:02:31
Like every movie I just knew he was going to die and scream five too.
01:02:35
I was like, I felt disrespected first of all by his death.
01:02:39
Like I felt personally attacked by it.
01:02:41
But second of all, like I knew he had to die because they all of a sudden weren't together
01:02:47
again.
01:02:48
And I was like, they were just inseparable at the end of four.
01:02:51
Like we're going to do this every single movie.
01:02:53
They're going to be broken up going into it.
01:02:55
Yes.
01:02:56
Yeah.
01:02:57
That was, yeah.
01:02:59
Every time we started a new one with our friends, everyone would be like, oh brother.
01:03:03
Like really?
01:03:06
Get it together.
01:03:09
Yeah.
01:03:14
I want to say something controversial and say I wouldn't save Dewey.
01:03:17
Who would you save?
01:03:20
I would save Tatum and obviously Cece because I finally want Sarah Michelle Keller to be
01:03:24
a final girl who lives.
01:03:26
Why was she always dying on me?
01:03:29
True.
01:03:30
But yeah, I don't know.
01:03:31
I think it, A, it upped the stakes a little bit and B, I don't even know if Katie knows
01:03:39
this because I just suggested like the name for our podcast, but the name derives from
01:03:46
a trope in horror movies called Kill the Cutie.
01:03:50
It's literally like that's a formula to cause emotion is by killing the person that everybody
01:03:55
loves.
01:03:56
And so I think it kind of had to be Dewey because everybody loves Dewey, right?
01:04:01
So like if you're going to kill off a character, you kind of have to kill the one that everybody's
01:04:04
going to be sad about.
01:04:05
If you kill off Gale, there's going to be people who are like, okay, I never liked her
01:04:10
anyway.
01:04:11
You know what I mean?
01:04:13
So I would kill Dewey.
01:04:15
Sorry.
01:04:16
Heartless, heartless, heartless.
01:04:17
He's like his main retriever.
01:04:18
He's like, I know, don't get me wrong.
01:04:19
Like I love Dewey, but I do think it had the biggest impact that it was him.
01:04:29
Right.
01:04:30
So should we write the whole franchise?
01:04:32
Let's do it.
01:04:33
Yeah.
01:04:34
All right, Kay, you start.
01:04:35
Just go through all the shadows.
01:04:36
You don't want to?
01:04:37
We should fight over him.
01:04:38
I want to fight over it.
01:04:39
Okay.
01:04:40
How?
01:04:41
How?
01:04:42
Yeah.
01:04:43
Ding, ding, ding.
01:04:44
How scary did everybody think it was?
01:04:45
I gave him a one.
01:04:46
I just think they're kind of.
01:04:47
Sorry.
01:04:48
So one is like not scary and five is scary, right?
01:04:59
Yes.
01:05:00
I can even give point fives, but for whatever reason, we can't give point two fives.
01:05:04
Oh boo.
01:05:05
What kind of rule is this?
01:05:06
And you also can't give less than one.
01:05:07
I'm going to do point nine.
01:05:08
Yeah, I think they're just kind of goofy.
01:05:09
The tone of them is, is a little bit lighthearted.
01:05:10
It's why I suggest the series is like for people who are just starting to get into horror.
01:05:15
Yeah.
01:05:16
Honestly, it's like perfect.
01:05:17
It's like baby's first scary movie.
01:05:18
And I think it's kind of like, oh, I'm going to do a horror movie.
01:05:19
I'm going to do a horror movie.
01:05:20
I'm going to do a horror movie.
01:05:21
I'm going to do a horror movie.
01:05:22
I'm going to do a horror movie.
01:05:23
I'm going to do a horror movie.
01:05:24
So it's a big, big change from a good to a horror movie.
01:05:30
Yeah.
01:05:31
Honestly, it's like, perfect.
01:05:32
It's like baby's first scary movie, and I love it.
01:05:33
Yep.
01:05:34
Agree.
01:05:35
I also gave it a one.
01:05:36
You're giving it a one, too?
01:05:37
Yep.
01:05:38
Not scary.
01:05:39
I will say, the scariest scene for me was not that scary.
01:05:40
It was the latter scene.
01:05:41
And that's not even a core concept in the movie.
01:05:44
It was just being a pie and injured.
01:05:47
It's like, yeah.
01:05:48
Yeah, that's fair.
01:05:49
Yeah, I also wanted her to live so bad.
01:05:50
I did, too.
01:05:51
Yeah.
01:05:52
Yeah.
01:05:53
I did too. Yeah, I would give it a.99 slash one. Round it up, I guess, if I have to.
01:06:03
You do? It makes the math easier? Sorry. As someone who generally just watches comedies
01:06:12
all the time, I actually really enjoyed this franchise. I thought it was really good and
01:06:18
not scary at all. Yeah. Agreed. How sexy did you think it was? Ooh, as a whole maybe a three?
01:06:27
Solid. I said 3.5, so we're pretty close. I said four, so. That checks out.
01:06:35
Ghostface is hot. I've never pretended he wasn't. I'm not going to start now.
01:06:41
Ghostface has an entity. Most of the actual ghostface killers are hot. I don't know what to say.
01:06:47
Agreed though. Agreed. The vibe is sexy. I mean tall, dark, handsome. Come on. Yeah. Yes. Mask.
01:06:58
Yeah. Come on. Murdering. Well. To each their own. That is actually in screen six when they
01:07:07
do the double knife wipe. Loved that. Great thing. Listen, I'm still convinced Billy is innocent,
01:07:13
okay? You can't tell me otherwise. As a Stoop Mocker defender, I agree.
01:07:20
Free them both. Yeah. How fucked up did you guys think it was?
01:07:27
I mean for anyone related to Sydney in any way, shape or form, probably a 12. But for normal
01:07:37
people and based on the kills and everything, I would say maybe a 3.5. Because there were some
01:07:45
really messed up ones. Okay. Yeah. There were some really gruesome kills. Yeah. The knife through
01:07:54
here. It was the one kid that got the neck one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:03
I think. Or the cop that was on the car and got his head jelloed through the front windshield.
01:08:11
It's like, ugh, it's a lot. Yeah. That's it. I would say 3.5 or a four. Okay. Yeah, no. I
01:08:22
gave it a 1.5. Okay. Collectively, that 0.5 is for all of the kills that we just mentioned.
01:08:29
Yeah. But that is a product of the movies that Cassidy has made me watch.
01:08:36
That's my fault. I'm still innocent. There's still. Yeah. I'm not surprised that you give it a 3.5
01:08:44
slash four at all. Yeah. But compared to some of the other shit that I've watched, it's a 1.5.
01:08:52
Blink if you're being held against your will. Are you okay? Yeah. I think that's the beauty of the
01:09:04
fucked up score, though. It is very relative to what you have already seen. True. So if this is
01:09:11
one of the first franchises you've seen, that shit's crazy. Falling off the ladder and getting
01:09:18
stabbed through the mouth and through the throat and through the eye. It's only up from here.
01:09:23
That's a lot. Well, and that's the other thing is that everything that you just mentioned is the
01:09:28
last two movies. The first four don't have that kind of impact for me. Yeah, they definitely kind
01:09:33
of upped the gore. Yeah. Yeah. The last two, the gore is better, in my opinion. More fun.
01:09:40
Yeah. All of the kills in four and five made it go up that little bit.
01:09:43
Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. I will say at this point, there's not a lot I haven't seen.
01:09:55
So relative to those movies, this is a one for me. It's very typical slasher stuff.
01:10:03
And yeah. Well, I made Katie watch a movie a few episodes in that I still am like,
01:10:16
I really did that to you pretty early on. And the only reason that she made me pick the movie,
01:10:22
and the only reason I picked it is because the name didn't have very many vowels in it. And I
01:10:27
really like that about words. When words don't have a lot of vowels, I really like that. And so
01:10:31
I was like, okay, yeah, let's watch martyrs. Biggest regret of my life. Oh my gosh. I'll never recover.
01:10:38
Yeah. I don't even want to know. I'm like, that sounds... No, thank you. If Cassidy says it's bad.
01:10:44
Yeah, no. It's up there. Yeah. Yeah. There's some scenes in there that I don't think you ever forget.
01:10:52
But yeah, that'll be... When I make you a horror movie masterlist, that'll be near the end.
01:11:03
2035, 2036. If I'm doing it based on easing you into it, that's down the line. I know. I need
01:11:14
a chart that's like, if you did not throw up at this movie, watch this one. If you felt pretty ill,
01:11:21
go watch this one. That's one of two movies that she's made me watch where I was physically sick.
01:11:30
Wait, what's the other one? What's the other one? Yeah. It was people eating people.
01:11:35
Oh, raw. Yeah. Raw. You know what? Both French horror movies too. Yeah.
01:11:42
That's wild. The French really do it to you. Yeah. That's wild. But yeah, it's funny. This
01:11:46
actually started because Katie was like, I want to watch more horror movies. So I started making her
01:11:51
a spreadsheet of movies. And at first I was listing them. I used the Taco Bell spices to rate how
01:12:01
much they were. My own spicy. Yeah. That's flaming hot. Del Scorcho. Yeah.
01:12:11
Yeah. So I'll have to dig that out and give it to you so you can watch them based on it.
01:12:18
Now I'm scared. I feel like I'm more scared of the list than I am of the movies right now.
01:12:26
You know what? If all you ever do is watch the mild ones, that's all I ask.
01:12:31
There's a real good mild one. Yeah. Okay. Overall, what do you think about the Scream franchise?
01:12:38
I'm going to give it a four. I love that. Defend. Defend yourself?
01:12:43
I don't want to. You don't have to. I'm just kidding. I feel like three and five took me out
01:12:53
of the franchise a little bit. Especially three was really hard to get through. I feel like
01:13:00
there was a lot of it that I didn't enjoy, but just me personally, if you get the gun away from
01:13:09
the guy, take the gun with you. Or just knowing who's going to die next and what's going to happen.
01:13:16
It's a comfort thing, but at the same time, it is kind of annoying when you can call out
01:13:22
who's going to die next. I really liked it. Solid. Fair. So four, I guess.
01:13:29
So fair. I like this one for improvement, but four. I like it. Katie? I give it a 4.5.
01:13:39
All right. Yeah. I think it's very accessible. It's funny. It's campy, but not so much that
01:13:47
people don't get it. The menu. It's shop-spired. Yeah. Every episode I slip in how much I hate the
01:13:55
menu. It really does, and I don't get it. So good. To me, this series is extremely gratifying in a
01:14:04
weird way because there's a few, I mean, many times where you're like, oh my God, I got that
01:14:10
joke because I've seen the horror movie that they're talking about. And that's really fun for me,
01:14:15
the gratification of, oh my God, I got the joke. There's so many characters. There's bound to be
01:14:21
somebody that you like. But that's also the reason that I gave it a 4.5 and not a five is
01:14:24
because there's so many fucking characters. There are a lot that I don't like. And it's a lot to
01:14:31
keep up with. I'm sure once I have watched this several times, which I'm looking forward to
01:14:36
rewatching it, that'll go away and I'll know all the characters and that won't bother me as much.
01:14:46
But yeah, 4.5. Fair. And in your defense, you were kind of given a disservice of having to watch them
01:14:54
all in a very short amount of time because that definitely makes keeping the characters straight
01:15:01
very difficult. I think I watched the first one probably 15 years ago. So I've rewatched all of
01:15:09
them so many times before I watched the next installment that it's like, okay, I can keep
01:15:14
track because I've seen them so many times. But watching them all at once for the first time would
01:15:18
be crazy. I don't know if that would definitely make me very confused. It was a lot. And I will
01:15:23
say that I watched the first one pretty early on in my horror movie journey, which was also a small
01:15:29
disservice because there were some jokes that I didn't get. I hadn't seen the movies yet.
01:15:33
And I didn't know the trivia answers, which is also really fun for me to now know the trivia answers
01:15:39
when Ghostface asks, what's your favorite movie or whatever? Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. I definitely
01:15:46
should have waited to show you that, but I couldn't because I love it so much. Fair.
01:15:52
Yeah. Re-watching it. I should have, but I wasn't gonna. So far. I should have, but that was for me.
01:16:03
Oh my gosh. I gave it a five out of five. I don't think many people are surprised by that.
01:16:12
But it's my favorite horror franchise. I really don't think, personally, there's a movie in this
01:16:17
series that I don't enjoy at least a little bit. Even if I have issues with it, it's not enough
01:16:22
where I've ever not enjoyed my time watching a movie. I've re-watched them all so many times,
01:16:28
and I'm sure I'll re-watch them a million more times. So I just love it. I love it so much.
01:16:36
It's really good. It is really good. And they're all so re-watchable too.
01:16:43
Which a lot of times when you know who the killer is, it's like, oh, you don't want to
01:16:46
re-watch it again. Yeah. But these are so fun and entertaining that they're fine.
01:16:51
And to your point, it's fun deciding which one of the killers did that.
01:16:55
Exactly. Yeah. Re-watching it and being like, okay, this person's accounted for, so who's doing this
01:17:01
kill? It's super fun. Yeah. But yeah. I guess we have to give a big thank you to you for picking
01:17:08
this because I couldn't have been more thrilled when you said you wanted to do it. And I wouldn't
01:17:13
have watched them all this quickly. Yeah. That's true. I saw the first one and I was like, I need
01:17:19
to watch all of them. I didn't realize how many that there were. And then Cassidy was like, yeah,
01:17:24
there's six of them. And I was like, okay, all right. I guess we're doing all six.
01:17:29
But let's do it. So fun. Thank you so much. Such a good idea. Yes. Thanks for having me.
01:17:36
God, yeah. I'm so excited to be here and do this. But I have to ask one more question.
01:17:39
Yes. I will. My last question is, get ready. We're only halfway through, so we do have another.
01:17:48
Even when you guys leave, I'm still going to be here.
01:17:51
We come back to film our next episode and you're still in the studio. We're like, oh.
01:17:55
What are we talking about today, guys? Having a shower today is fun.
01:17:59
No, but I have to ask, do you guys think you would survive the Scream franchise?
01:18:03
No. I think I would pull a kneel and skip town as soon as possible. But if I had to stay,
01:18:13
I would not. I would perish very quickly. Yeah. And from something stupid, I would be running
01:18:20
from Ghostface and trip and stab myself or something. I am very clumsy. Yeah.
01:18:27
Yeah. I always want to say yes because I'm like, oh, Ghostface is just a guy, right?
01:18:34
And they're all about playing to the horror rules, which I know them all.
01:18:39
But I also think that by the second time a serial killer was coming after me, I'd be like,
01:18:47
I'm good. I'm tapping out. A third time, a fourth time. No, I'm not supposed to live. Yeah.
01:18:58
That's like me during a zombie apocalypse. I am not trying to survive. I'm just going to smother
01:19:03
myself in peanut butter. I'm sorry. It sounds terrible. I'd be like, do you want me to do it
01:19:09
for you? If flirting didn't work, I'm done for. Yeah. My answer is the same for every slasher
01:19:16
movie. I'm funny and I'm a member of the LGBTQ community, so I'm one of the first to go.
01:19:24
I liked in the fourth one though that they were like, you can only live if you're gay.
01:19:29
No one keeps dying. He's like, no, I'm gay. What the hell?
01:19:39
Oh my gosh. All right. Well, we only have one last segment. And at the end of every episode,
01:19:45
we have Katie trying to predict the plot of next week's movie. So Katie, next week we're going to
01:19:51
be talking about The Watchers. Why don't you tell us what it's about? Okay. I will. Okay. So The
01:19:57
Watchers starring Dakota Fanning and directed by M. Night Shyamalan's daughter. What's her first
01:20:08
name? Alana Ishana is a movie about Dakota Fanning wakes up in a house with a bunch of other people
01:20:22
with amnesia. She's got amnesia. She's like, what the hell are we doing here? Who are these people?
01:20:29
Who are they? I said, who are these people? We don't ever find out. The Watchers? Ever?
01:20:34
No. Okay. So The Watchers are aliens that come out of caves. They come out of caves. It's kind of
01:20:48
like a, what's that Nicklaus Cage movie? Arcadian. Yeah. It's like an Arcadian vibe. They come out of
01:20:54
the caves and they look for people and Dakota Fanning and the other people are put into this
01:21:00
house where The Watchers can see inside, but the people inside can't see outside because they did
01:21:07
crime. Oh, right. They did a crime. Okay. Okay. Okay. So they're being watched because they're
01:21:13
criminals. Correct. Yeah. And the monsters from the caves. No. Okay. I got to watch these people.
01:21:23
Cool. Okay. So inner galactic cops came down. Yeah. I mean, but they're not inner galactic.
01:21:33
They're from the ground. I thought you said they were aliens. Aliens from the ground? Well,
01:21:37
like alien vibe, like the Arcadian alien vibe. Oh, okay. So they're from here. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
01:21:46
Okay. Great. I'm loving this. And at one point, Dakota Fanning gets out of the house. I don't
01:21:54
know how, because I don't think there's a door. So maybe it's pre-crime. And her job in the real
01:22:05
world is cave. Something about caves. She's cave Ken. Yes. Yes. It's something about caves. And
01:22:16
so she explores caves and that's where she finds out about the cave monsters that become her
01:22:22
watchers after she commits crime. Right. Cause she knows caves. Great. How did she get in? I
01:22:26
can't wait to watch it. Yeah. I don't know. Well, that's why I think it's like a flashback.
01:22:34
Okay. So she's not out. How'd they get in there if there's no door? Because they committed crime.
01:22:39
Yeah. So they put them in and then like sealed it. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Great. And
01:22:45
they drink coffee the whole time like this. Yo, that bathroom must be crazy. Yeah. I know that
01:22:53
from the trailer. Wow. That's definitely true. It's definitely true. If there's one thing about
01:22:58
this movie is they clutch their mugs tightly. Yeah. That's wild. I'm excited for this movie.
01:23:04
I personally, based on that, I can't wait to watch it. I'm so glad. I mean, it was between the
01:23:11
watchers and Strangers part chapter one. No, not gonna happen. No, we were between this and In a
01:23:18
Violent Nature, Katie. Oh shit. But I want to watch that too. I know I'm probably going to see both.
01:23:24
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we could do two new episodes or new movies in a row.
01:23:29
Screw what Watchers is actually about. I want to see that movie, Katie. I want to see what
01:23:33
the movie is made of. Sometimes I get them real good. The best is when I watched the trailer a
01:23:41
long time ago. That's the best. Because if I just watch the trailer, then I know what it's about.
01:23:45
Yeah. I watched that trailer weeks and weeks ago. So it's like a foggy, distant memory.
01:23:50
I love that. I know for a fact I drink coffee. My favorite is when I tell you what a movie is
01:23:55
about and then like a month later you have to predict that same movie and you forgot. So you
01:24:00
predicted it completely wrong. Oh no. Even though you already know. Yeah. Which I did for Tremors.
01:24:05
Yeah. That happened a few episodes ago for Tremors. Yeah. All right. Well,
01:24:09
I'm really excited to watch The Watchers. Can't wait. I'm excited to do it either.
01:24:16
Thanks. And thanks so much for being here. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much, Lex. We
01:24:20
really appreciate you coming in. Of course. Scream franchise. I'm so happy because now I can just
01:24:26
like bug Katie all the time. But no, thank you. Thank you for celebrating our 75th episode with
01:24:34
us. I mean, I could not think of anybody else I would rather have on our 75th episode to celebrate.
01:24:41
You guys are so nice. Thank you. Thank you for having me and putting me through the trauma of
01:24:46
the Scream franchise. This was a lot of fun. I can't wait. Anytime you want to be traumatized
01:24:53
by a horror movie, you let me know. I will give you one. Just hold my hand through the trauma.
01:24:58
No, but yeah, I was really... But yeah, this was so much fun. And again, we really appreciate it.
01:25:05
Everybody, please go check out The Chasing Childhood podcast if you haven't already.
01:25:09
They've got tons of great episodes that are available to you anywhere that you listen to
01:25:12
your podcast. So definitely do that. And yeah, thank you again, Lex. Thank you. And we hope to
01:25:18
see everybody next week. Bye. Bye.
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