The Watchers (released June 2024) is Ishana Night Shyamalan’s writing and directing debut. Produced by her father, M. Night Shyamalan, the movie follows Mina, an artist who gets stranded in a forest she can’t escape. The movie stars Dakota Fanning (Twilight, War of the Worlds), Georgina Campbell (Barbarian), Olwen Fouere, and Oliver Finnegan.
Horror News
👉 Jane Schoenbrun announces novel following I Saw the TV Glow success: https://shorturl.at/9s04v
👉 David Howard Thornton (Terrifier) to play Steamboat Willie: https://shorturl.at/Dna9N
👉 Blumhouse Games launch trailer (Fear the Spotlight, Crisal: Theater of Idols, Grave Seasons, Sleep Awake, The Simulation, and Project C): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL4ORFh720c
👉 Georgia A Romero’s (Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead) daughter Tina Romero announces Queens of the Dead: https://shorturl.at/vDcy7
Next Week
Next week, we’ll chat about the cult classic horror comedy Jennifer’s Body: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8azftM5puI
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Hello?
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Hi.
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Happy Tuesday.
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Happy Tuesday.
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Welcome back to the Killer Cuties Podcast.
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So much has happened since our last episode.
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I know, well, we both pretty much just spent weeks in bed.
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On personal notes, we've both been very ill.
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Yes.
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It was terrible.
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At least it was at the same time.
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Yeah, it was kind of nice.
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It's almost like we got each other sick, but from miles and miles away, which I
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think is kind of cute.
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Yeah.
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my God, that's real friendship.
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But yeah, we're feeling a little bit better, but please excuse us if there's
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any clearings of the throats or sniffles or anything like that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Also, I cut off 11 inches of hair.
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You did and it looks fantastic.
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I really like it.
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It's a very fresh summer cut.
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Thank you.
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I've been like itching to cut my hair as well.
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I think I might after, weirdly after the summer, but.
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Okay, well yeah, that's weird.
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Yeah, well I'm going on a trip soon, so I'll probably cut it after I get back.
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Okay.
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See, I cut mine before my trip.
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That's smart.
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But I kinda like my long hair for like, you know, pics and stuff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I will say it only takes me six minutes to curl my hair now.
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I like that.
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Yeah.
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Well, enough about us.
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Should we hop into some news?
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Horror news.
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Yeah, I'll go first.
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Okay.
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If you were a fan of I Saw the TV Glow like we were, Cassidy more than me, but I
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still was, I have good news for you.
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Director Shay - Let me start that over.
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Director Jane Schoenbrunn announced their next project.
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It's called Public Access Afterworld.
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It's a book.
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Yeah, we don't have a release date yet, just an official coming soon from the
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publisher.
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And we also got a little synopsis.
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So it is Jane's debut novel and it's quote, an epic blend of literary fantasy,
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coming of age, sci fi and horror, which traces the mysterious transmissions of a
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secret television network.
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So it sounds very I Saw the TV Glow adjacent.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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companion novel.
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Yes, Jane also said it's a culmination of their so -called screen trilogy, which
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began with We're All Going to the World's Fair and I Saw the TV Glow, obviously.
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But the novel is more focused on the post -transition versus obviously the pre
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-transition, like the two movies are.
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They said it's, quote, my attempt to craft a contemporary queer opus on the scale of
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Lord of the Rings.
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hell yeah.
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Yeah, I like that a lot.
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Very excited, I'll be reading that.
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Yeah.
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Books just do it better, always.
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And I wish that more directors would write books, too.
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Yeah, there's something about a book.
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I think it's just because you can put so much more detail into it.
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And also it kind of like sparks that imagination of like, you get to kind of
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create it yourself.
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But yeah, that's exciting.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
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On my end, David Howard Thornton, who plays Art the Clown in the Terrifier
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series, he has been cast as Steamboat Willie in the upcoming horror comedy
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Screamboat, which we had talked about that earlier this year, like the movie itself,
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because Steamboat Willie obviously went into the public domain this year.
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So that was one of the horror movies that was announced taking advantage of that.
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And yeah, so we're going to have a little bit different but similar, I think, feel
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from him.
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So it's exciting casting news.
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So fun.
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I still haven't seen Terrifier, but I have seen all of the TikToks that have gone
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viral recently of Art.
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Yeah.
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Okay, next one for me.
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This is a big one.
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I'm gonna talk forever Blumhouse who as you know has brought us Megan, Insidious,
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the newer Halloween movies, Black Phone, Five Nights at Freddy's the movie, The
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Purge, Paranormal Activity, so many movies - They dropped a bomb on us.
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They're launching a gaming vertical called Blumhouse games and they've already
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revealed the first six games on the docket.
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So we get some of them this year
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first one, the Blumhouse Games debut is called Fear the Spotlight by a studio
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called Cozy Game Pals.
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And it takes inspiration from 90s teen horror stories.
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So it's puzzles, survival and horror, and it's all PS1 style graphics.
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It's very like retro graphics.
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That's coming later this year.
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And initial reviews are already coming in and they look really promising.
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Then we have Chrysal
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Theatre of Idols, which is in development by Vermilla Studios.
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It's a first -person horror adventure shooter, maybe?
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The trailer makes it look like a shooter too.
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Where you get to navigate the folklore and religion of a nightmarish version of
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Spain.
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Okay.
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And it is a Spanish studio.
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So, so that's kind of fun.
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Yeah.
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Next, we'll get a game by Perfect Garbage Studios called Grave Seasons, which is
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literally horror Stardew Valley.
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Yeah, it's a pixelated farm simulation where you have to solve the mystery of a
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supernatural serial killer.
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Amazing.
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I feel like that'll be like cozy horror.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Next one's weird.
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It's called Sleep Awake.
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It's being developed by Eyes Out, which is a collaboration between Corey Davis, who's
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the guy who designed Spec Ops the Line, and Robin Fink, the guitarist from Nine
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Inch Nails.
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What?
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Yeah, it's a futuristic psychedelic horror about the human race slowly disappearing
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as they sleep.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I'm not not into it.
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yeah.
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Then we have the simulation.
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I think this is the one I'm most looking forward to.
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It's from Playme Studio.
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It's about a game designer or developer who's hired to help solve a crime.
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I'm not 100 % sure.
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We don't have a lot of details, but from the trailer, it looks and when I keep
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saying trailer, this is like the announcement of the six games.
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None of these games have their own trailer yet.
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Yeah.
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It looks like you play as the developer who gets to then play through several
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different video games in developer mode as part of his investigation.
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Mm -hmm.
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It looks so fun.
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Interesting.
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Okay, I'm kind of I'm into it.
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And then last one is called Project C, which comes from the minds of Sam Barlow,
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who did Her Story and Brandon Cronenberg, who did Infinity Pool.
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We have the fewest details on this one, but the trailer suggests that it's like
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horror time travel and that things get really weird and there's alternate
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timelines.
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So yeah, all that to say, we've got some big names
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behind some of these games.
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And we don't even have to wait that long before we start getting our hands on the
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games.
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Next couple months.
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Nice!
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Yeah, I'd heard that they were gonna delve into gaming, but I didn't know they had
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like released what the games were gonna be about.
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That's exciting.
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I love a good horror game.
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Mmm.
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Yeah.
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Nice.
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Very exciting.
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Very.
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last news from me, George A.
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Romero's daughter, Tina Romero, is set to make her directorial debut.
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And of course, it's going to be a zombie movie.
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Yeah.
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So it's called Queens of the Dead.
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I thought this was like relevant news since we're literally going to be talking
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about a nepo baby's directorial debut today.
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But yeah, she said, my dad's zombies were always reflecting what's going on in the
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world and I almost feel a responsibility to take the torch and keep the Romero
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zombie alive of holding, respecting, paying homage to it while also introducing
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myself and my own voice as a filmmaker and my own perspective.
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So exciting, we're gonna get more Romero zombies in the future.
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Cute.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Nothing you can't do with a dream and daddy's money.
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That's true.
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to be a nepo baby.
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To live the dream.
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Anyway, let's talk about what we really came here to talk about.
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Okay, I'll give us a little synopsis.
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The Watchers is about a 28 year old artist and pet store associate named Mina who's
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played by Dakota Fanning.
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She gets stranded in an expansive, seemingly untouched forest in Ireland.
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After discovering shelter, she unknowingly becomes trapped alongside three strangers
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who are stalked by mysterious creatures every night.
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The movie also stars Georgina Campbell from Barbarian and it's Ishana Night
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Shyamalan's directorial debut based on the book of the same name by
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AM Shine.
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It opened just a couple weeks ago, June 7th, 2024 and has so far made just over
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$15 million.
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It's got a really depressing 32 % critics and 52 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes
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and a 5 .8 out of 10 on IMDB.
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Could be better, could have better scores, you know.
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It's not the greatest directorial debut that you'd want.
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But I guess we'll find out if we think that that is the score it deserves.
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Yeah, to be clear, I don't think that the directing is what earned it those scores.
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But yeah.
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have any issues really with the directing.
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Well, I wouldn't say any issues with the directing, but some of the shots were
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really beautiful.
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The atmosphere was cool.
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Yeah.
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And that's somewhat due to the direction, so.
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Yeah, I was going to say the writing is what.
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I'm trying not to give away too much of how I felt about this movie.
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I was gonna say the...
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Yeah.
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this movie, so let's just go for it.
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so I was gonna say the writing is what made this movie shit, but that's also
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Ishana's fault, so...
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Sorry, Ishana.
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apparently she worked really closely with AM Shine, who wrote the novel.
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She shared, like, drafts of the script with him, made sure that everything was
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good because she, like, got the book from a producer, I think, told her to read it,
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and then she became a fan of it and wanted to make it.
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And, yeah, apparently he was really supportive.
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He said that they feel like two different art pieces, like,
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book is his piece of art and the movie is her piece of art and he kind of gave her
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free rein to like do what she wanted, but from everything I've read it seems like it
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followed it fairly closely.
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I couldn't find like a direct synopsis of the book, I don't know if you were able
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to.
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There was, there's quite a bit in the book that's different.
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It's not like big pieces, it's not like total different plot points exactly, but
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just like the building of it, the payoff of finding out about Madeline is
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significantly better in the book than it is in the movie.
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I had like seen some people say that in like reviews of it, but then I found like
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a whole Reddit thread where people were like tearing apart the book because it was
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so obvious that Madeline was like sus.
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Yeah.
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So I don't know, I guess, I don't know, I'd have to, well, I can't really read it
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now and see because I already know.
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In the movie, it was very obvious.
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Yeah.
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And I wish more than anything, literally more than anything, that I'd read the book
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instead of watch the movie.
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Because I feel like it would have been a slower burn, it would have been paced
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better.
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I mean, I don't know anything about the book other than I do have a big, like I'll
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tell you a little bit more about what was different, but I just wish more than
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anything I had read it and gotten that payoff for the reveals at the end in book
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form versus movie form.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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Yeah.
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I guess, I don't know, yeah, some of the things that people were saying in the
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Reddit thread was...
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Made it seem like in the book it wasn't that big of a...
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But I will never know.
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But I guess they kept describing Madeline as expressionless and then kept talking
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about how the monsters can't master expressions.
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And so everybody was like, yeah, of course!
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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She's a lot ruder and like more belittling in the book too.
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Like she doesn't have like the same etiquette that people have, essentially.
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Yeah, I think the the like biggest thing, the biggest change from the book is that
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there was a lot more survival happening amongst the four like
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they were starving.
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They couldn't get water and that was like much clearer.
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So there was a lot more tension built around that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so by the time they get to the boat, they're half dead.
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So...
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Yeah, I feel like that kind of...
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was an issue because, what was the guy's name?
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Daniel?
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Like when he like just flips all of a sudden, like she says it like they do with
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everything because they just say everything.
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The exposition is crazy in this movie.
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but yeah, when he flips, like you just don't, you don't get that rising tension
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of like, things are getting to that breaking point.
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Mm -hmm.
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It's just like, everything's fine.
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And then she says, winter has been really hard.
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And then he snaps.
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And it's like, OK, well, that's not like you have to show us a little bit.
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You can't just tell us.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there's just a lot more tension in the book as a whole, like the like,
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starving thing.
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The watchers are a lot more like they're not peaceful at all.
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They're not sitting around watching them perform a show in front of the mirror.
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Like that doesn't happen.
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They're every single night trying to get inside the coop.
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okay.
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Mm -hmm.
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Yeah, and the burrows, totally made up.
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That's not real.
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So that was like the opposite of trying to build tension where there didn't need to
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be any because that's not even like source material, you know what I mean?
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Interesting.
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Mm -hmm.
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Yeah, I'm trying to think of like what the burrows really added.
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But I feel like don't get me started on the rules, kd.
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This movie spent so much time on things that did not matter.
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Like they go through these medicinal plants like
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Georgina Campbell's character is showing her these plants and you think, okay,
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that's gonna come into play later.
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It doesn't.
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And then the guy ties up Madeline and you think, okay, here's where we find out that
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Madeline's evil because we all fucking know that she is.
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And then you don't.
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And the rules are laid out and you think, okay, this is gonna be a big thing.
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Nope, they just break the rules constantly.
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What do you mean don't turn your back to the mirror and then every scene, their
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back is to the mirror.
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I was losing my mind in the theater like.
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Okay, don't go into the burrows, but she goes into the burrows immediately and
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nothing really happens.
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Every rule that they laid out has zero consequences, so there was no real stakes.
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Yeah, and I feel like those didn't need to be spelled out to make it suspenseful that
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they were going to like try to go outside or like if they had turned their back to
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the mirror and something terrible happened like that could have been a great way of
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saying don't hurt your back on the mirror.
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Right.
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Which is, that's, yeah, I just, why lay out these rules if they're not going to
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have any impact on the storyline?
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That's what was like frustrating for me, I think.
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Yeah, and the only rule that felt like it had anything to do with the storyline at
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all was don't open the door at night.
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Don't go outside.
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Obviously, and then they do it, but obviously don't go out there.
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That's when they're out there.
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Right, like we already know that we can't leave at night.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it just all in all, it seems like the book did a better job building
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tension, world building without holding hands quite so much.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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every character in this movie was so flat.
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Yeah, there wasn't a lot of room for character growth.
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Yeah, I, this is gonna be controversial, but I wish this had been a show.
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I wish this had been a real slow burn show that I, yeah, I, yeah, I.
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should have been a short.
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Yeah, it could have been a short too.
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It could have been a short, but like getting to know the characters, like I'm
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thinking like Lost, like flashbacks for each character to kind of like get to know
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them a little bit.
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You don't know what I'm talking about, but like flashback, like each episode is
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dedicated to a character and you get to know them a little bit better.
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And then, you know, maybe like the rules, you find out a different rule every
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episode.
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I don't know.
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I just, it just went so fast.
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It was so rushed.
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And the concept is great.
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I was really excited about the concept.
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Like...
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Yeah, I think that's why I was more disappointed was because it was...
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watching the trailers and stuff, I was like, this could be really cool.
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And I just didn't really do anything that I wanted them to do with it.
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And then to find out the whole time that it's like Celtic lore and like fairies.
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It just could have been, yeah, so much cooler.
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And, but like, what a waste on this movie.
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Sorry, Ishana.
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Yeah, this is maybe an example why nepo babies shouldn't be a thing.
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Because they make movies like this and unfortunately we go and see them.
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Yeah.
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I will say though that like, I mean, she deserves her chances as much as everybody
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else.
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She's...
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Her dad is Night.
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Like, she has a master class in directing and storytelling in her home.
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I mean, he's also made some real clonkers, so...
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that's true.
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But he's also made some of the best movies of all time.
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Like, categorically, some of the best movies.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, and she was like a, like a, what's the second unit director or whatever, for
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two of his movies, Knock at the Cabin and Old.
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So she was on set for them.
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I've seen Old, I still haven't seen Knock at the Cabin, but.
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either.
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She, I mean, she...
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She didn't like just, you know, grow up doing her own thing.
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And then suddenly I was like, I wanna make a movie just like dad did.
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And then he finances it.
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Like she's been a part of his filmmaking since she was a kid.
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She has the experience.
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Like it just does not show.
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I don't know, maybe we're being too hard on her.
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I will say that in a lot of interviews that Dakota Fanning did, a lot of
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interviews that Dakota Fanning did, like she did one with like Today, everybody
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kept trying to say like, tell us about M.
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Night, how cool was it working with M.
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Night?
00:21:01
And she would do a really good job, very respectfully, like redirecting the
00:21:06
conversation back to Ishana and making it clear that this was her vision, her work,
00:21:10
and just like daddy's money kind of thing.
00:21:14
So.
00:21:15
Maybe she didn't lean on him maybe as much as she could have, should have.
00:21:19
Yeah, I mean, for...
00:21:21
for I guess assistance with like the story itself.
00:21:25
But honestly, like it kind of feels like.
00:21:28
Like a bad Night movie.
00:21:30
Like it does.
00:21:31
You know what I mean?
00:21:32
Like it...
00:21:33
No, I don't even give it that much credit.
00:21:34
he's had some clunkers.
00:21:36
I don't know if you've seen all of them but there are some bad M.
00:21:39
Night Shyamalan movies.
00:21:40
Yeah, I know she has like acknowledged the nepotism, which I can respect because like
00:21:45
you can't help how you're born.
00:21:47
Like she's only she's what like 24 or 25 years old.
00:21:50
Like she's still very young and you know, she can't help the fact that her dad is at
00:21:56
night.
00:21:57
And like, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that if my dad was a famous
00:22:02
filmmaker that I wouldn't also take advantage of that.
00:22:04
So like, that's fine.
00:22:06
But it's also kind of one of those things where it's like.
00:22:09
You have to be really fucking good if you're a nepo baby otherwise everyone's
00:22:12
gonna be like...
00:22:12
Exactly.
00:22:13
You know what I mean?
00:22:14
Like, this is why this money should go to people who actually are talented instead
00:22:19
of someone who made a movie like this.
00:22:22
Yeah.
00:22:24
Ouch.
00:22:24
she has said that like nepotism stuff is totally valid and like those discussions
00:22:30
are valid and she absolutely is privileged and stuff like that.
00:22:34
So like credit where credit's due, some nepo babies want to pretend that they're
00:22:38
had absolutely no advantage whatsoever and that's bullshit, so.
00:22:44
She said that she was inspired by two of her dad's movies for this.
00:22:54
Which one's where it was?
00:22:56
Lady in the Water and The Village, which I haven't seen either of those, but like
00:23:01
watching trailers, looking at stills, you can totally see how those two would have
00:23:06
influenced her to make this, because they both are like fantasy thriller, a little
00:23:10
bit of horror.
00:23:12
so at least she took some inspo from him, but it did sound like she's on her own
00:23:17
doing her own thing.
00:23:18
Yeah.
00:23:20
Yeah, that's interesting.
00:23:21
She also said she is inspired more of like in a storytelling way by Spirited Away and
00:23:28
Howl's Moving Castle.
00:23:30
She like loves Studio Ghibli.
00:23:31
So she cited those.
00:23:33
She said not necessarily like direct influences on this film, but like overall
00:23:37
she like keeps them in her mind as inspirations.
00:23:41
But then for this movie, she said one of the references was Antichrist by Lars von
00:23:46
Trier.
00:23:46
But that was like a tonal reference because that film also takes place in sort
00:23:50
of like a living, breathing forest.
00:23:55
I think them being set in a forest is pretty much the only comparisons I'm
00:24:00
seeing for that movie, but that movie's fucking crazy, so...
00:24:06
And I don't see the living forest comparison at all.
00:24:09
I didn't get like the living forest vibe out of Watchers.
00:24:12
Not even a little bit.
00:24:13
I guess I can kind of see it, like when the mystery is still there and I guess
00:24:19
like you watch the trailer so you know that there's watchers but if you came into
00:24:22
it blind and just like the forest was moving and the animals were leaving, like
00:24:28
I could see in those scenes how that was kind of like a feel but in all honesty
00:24:33
like living breathing forest isn't really...
00:24:36
I wouldn't say that's like a main central theme in Antichrist either so...
00:24:41
I saw an interview with, well, it was the same interviewer who did interviews with
00:24:49
Dakota Fanning and Georgina Campbell.
00:24:52
And they basically like asked like, what would your strengths and weaknesses be in
00:24:56
this situation, which kind of reminded me of our little would you survive thing.
00:25:01
And I thought it was funny because Dakota Fanning was like, I'm like, I'm done.
00:25:05
Like, I don't have any strengths.
00:25:08
Like I would just give up.
00:25:10
She said her only saving grace would be the reality TV show to keep her mind off
00:25:15
of it.
00:25:16
And then Georgina Campbell basically said that she would probably adapt to it well,
00:25:22
but she doesn't have any survival skills, so she wouldn't be very helpful.
00:25:27
Yeah.
00:25:27
I don't know.
00:25:28
Would you survive?
00:25:29
No, they would not.
00:25:30
Hahaha!
00:25:31
Apparently the acting in front of a mirror was like really strange for everybody too.
00:25:37
Dakota Fanning especially said that like it was really hard to separate herself
00:25:41
from the vanity of being in front of a mirror and like actually acting.
00:25:46
Because you're not supposed to be looking at yourself while you're acting generally.
00:25:50
She said that was a really unique experience for her.
00:25:52
Yeah, I feel like that much of a movie being in front of a mirror would be weird.
00:25:56
Like watching yourself play make believe, basically.
00:26:01
And literally watching yourself play make believe play make believe for the Watchers
00:26:08
is like even weirder.
00:26:09
my god.
00:26:11
Watchceptions.
00:26:12
Yeah.
00:26:15
Darwin, the bird, it was played by a female bird called Sunshine.
00:26:22
And apparently she was like wonderful to work with.
00:26:26
Yeah, Ishana was like, every time I was like, I wish the bird would like hang on
00:26:31
the cage.
00:26:31
She'd look over the bird was just doing it.
00:26:33
She's like, my God.
00:26:35
So she was like everything that she wanted the bird to do, the bird would do.
00:26:38
And she was really excited that it would just like start performing every time the
00:26:43
camera was around.
00:26:45
cute.
00:26:47
The does the dog die was very confused about how to put does the bird die.
00:26:53
They mentioned it in like 15 different categories.
00:26:56
Obviously the bird does not die.
00:26:58
well a bird dies.
00:27:00
Well, yeah, the crew, but not the bird, not like the bird does not die.
00:27:06
A bird.
00:27:08
Yeah.
00:27:09
Yeah.
00:27:09
Does Darwin die?
00:27:10
It lives.
00:27:11
Yeah, it's fine.
00:27:14
Yeah.
00:27:14
Yeah.
00:27:15
Thank God for that.
00:27:18
Only saving grace for the whole movie.
00:27:20
Yeah, I was a big fan of the bird.
00:27:22
Me too.
00:27:22
offered some-
00:27:23
No, he was there.
00:27:26
Yeah.
00:27:27
was there too.
00:27:28
Yeah.
00:27:29
They had the three besides Dakota Fanning.
00:27:34
So Georgina Campbell, Olwen Fouéré, I think is how you say her last name, and
00:27:40
Oliver Finnegan.
00:27:41
They got to set early, so they spent, I think, a day or two together first, just
00:27:47
getting to know each other and stuff before Dakota Fanning arrived.
00:27:52
And so, well, I mean, it was to kind of play on the fact that she's this outsider
00:27:56
who comes in, they've been together for...
00:27:58
five, eight plus months.
00:28:00
So.
00:28:00
Yeah, so that was kind of a little fun behind the scenes to help them make it a
00:28:05
believable interactions, I guess.
00:28:10
Yeah, they have this like little faction going already.
00:28:12
Yeah, they're like, you're not invited to our club.
00:28:16
Our Watchers Club.
00:28:19
Which by the way, this movie was called The Watched pretty much everywhere but
00:28:22
here.
00:28:23
Yeah, I saw that.
00:28:24
Like, even a bunch of the interviews say The Watched a lot of the red carpets, like
00:28:28
the premiere said The Watched.
00:28:30
Very strange.
00:28:32
Some TV show or something.
00:28:33
does follow the watched more than it follows the watchers.
00:28:39
Yeah.
00:28:40
Yeah.
00:28:40
I guess.
00:28:41
I guess one of the Watchers is the Watched, so...
00:28:44
Confusing.
00:28:45
Yeah.
00:28:45
Also, wouldn't she just...
00:28:46
Sorry.
00:28:48
There were like...
00:28:51
plot holes?
00:28:51
I just was like, okay...
00:28:54
Like, they break the glass, the Watchers, but then when they're trying to get in
00:28:59
later, they're trying to break down the door.
00:29:01
Why not just continue breaking the glass?
00:29:03
You already know that you can...
00:29:05
And then they shatter it later, so they know that they...
00:29:08
Okay, that's dumb.
00:29:11
Madeline specifically said out loud, if they break the glass, we're done for.
00:29:15
And then they break the glass and then they like live for another winter.
00:29:19
Yeah, that's a whole thing.
00:29:21
But then to get in, they're like, they're trying to get to the door.
00:29:24
And I know that the only reason that they went for the door was so that they could
00:29:27
find an excuse for them to move the table to get under the rug.
00:29:30
But like, Madeline would have known that that was there.
00:29:34
Yeah, she'd been down there.
00:29:35
with, yeah, she'd been down there.
00:29:37
She was with the professor.
00:29:41
So like.
00:29:41
Was she just like, I mean, I don't think even, I don't even think the writers know,
00:29:47
but was she just like playing up the story of like, she's just this human that.
00:29:53
I don't know because she's like, she like tells Mina in the end that without her she
00:30:00
would have never gotten out.
00:30:01
So she was trying to get out anyway.
00:30:03
So if you were trying to get out, wouldn't you like look for resources down there?
00:30:09
If you knew that they were down there?
00:30:11
You'd think.
00:30:12
Or if you think that these people are the key to you getting out, wouldn't you show
00:30:17
them this bunker full of food and supplies?
00:30:20
I mean, maybe she didn't know how to maybe she knew that food and supplies were down
00:30:24
there, but maybe she didn't know that the computer was the answer.
00:30:27
And because she's a watcher, she doesn't know anything about computers.
00:30:30
fair.
00:30:30
Yeah, like if she didn't know that the video diary said that, fair.
00:30:35
But it still just doesn't make sense to me that like, she wouldn't, I mean, they
00:30:41
couldn't because that would give away the fact that she was a watcher.
00:30:44
So that's the reason, the reason is poor writing, but like, it doesn't make sense
00:30:49
from a logical perspective that she wouldn't have, as soon as they were trying
00:30:53
to break in, take everybody down there.
00:30:56
At the very least.
00:30:57
Not when they're fucking starving.
00:30:59
You'd think she would take them down there.
00:31:01
Yeah.
00:31:02
And I don't understand her.
00:31:05
I don't understand why she's there in the first place.
00:31:07
Well, she kind of says that she wanted to get like an up close, like she wanted an
00:31:12
up close view of them.
00:31:14
That's her reasoning.
00:31:15
That she gives.
00:31:16
I don't understand.
00:31:18
Just don't.
00:31:19
Also, full disclosure, I fell asleep like three times watching this movie.
00:31:24
Yeah.
00:31:25
I had to watch it twice.
00:31:26
Yeah.
00:31:27
I'm sorry that happened to you.
00:31:29
Yeah, first time watching any of the movies that we've watched that I've
00:31:34
straight up fallen asleep.
00:31:35
Yeah.
00:31:37
going to to honest, I watched it approximately six hours ago, so I didn't,
00:31:43
but...
00:31:44
Hmm.
00:31:45
yeah, I just...
00:31:47
I just, I don't know, and she can just leave the forest, cause she's different,
00:31:50
she's a day walker, she can just do whatever she wants I guess.
00:31:54
Okay.
00:31:56
Yeah.
00:31:56
There's a lot of them.
00:31:58
A lot of day walkers.
00:31:59
Yeah, at the end, like if you're a hybrid, if you're like a halfling, you can walk
00:32:05
around in the daylight.
00:32:06
And there are many of them and that's kind of like the suspenseful ending of the book
00:32:12
is like, by the way, I'm not the only one.
00:32:15
There are a lot of people watching you.
00:32:16
There are a lot of watchers watching you.
00:32:19
which I got that, that like, when she's telling us everything, because that's what
00:32:24
they do.
00:32:25
There's just monologues in this movie where they just explain everything that's
00:32:29
happening, even though like, it was awful.
00:32:32
Anyways, yeah, like Dakota Fanning kind of says that when she's talking to herself,
00:32:39
her sister that's played by herself.
00:32:42
Weird, Elle was like right there.
00:32:44
that kind of confused me in the beginning, like when she's driving and like the
00:32:49
voicemail plays, but it's her voice.
00:32:52
And I was like, is she leaving this voicemail or is this to her?
00:32:58
Like I was like, what's happening here?
00:33:01
Because her voice is like so distinctive to me that I was like, well, that's her
00:33:05
talking.
00:33:07
I don't know.
00:33:09
I wish they would have gotten a different
00:33:11
actor for the voice, almost.
00:33:13
Yeah, I don't know if it was the movie that told me that she had a twin sister at
00:33:18
that point or the Wikipedia that told me that she had a...
00:33:23
Because I was reading along.
00:33:24
I was reading along with Wikipedia.
00:33:27
Because the dog die was not complete enough for me to be comfortable watching
00:33:30
it without, just in case.
00:33:33
Anyway, for whatever reason, I knew like, that's her twin sister and they're using
00:33:38
her voice and they're going to use her as the twin sister also.
00:33:42
But like...
00:33:43
didn't make that clear at that point.
00:33:45
Why didn't they use L?
00:33:46
Because Elle probably read the script and was like, no thanks.
00:33:50
She was like,
00:33:52
Yeah, there was just there was a lot of those little moments that I was like, and
00:33:56
also if she's like.
00:33:58
Like later in battle like, I'm gonna be you, Mina, I'm gonna take your form.
00:34:03
Why would you just leave them in the forest?
00:34:05
She was in the boat waiting for them to get in.
00:34:08
You could have just left them there and then been either of them.
00:34:11
Yeah.
00:34:12
Well, I guess you didn't know like where Mina lived or...
00:34:18
Well yeah, but did that matter?
00:34:19
She didn't know where she lived when she was trying to kill her in...
00:34:22
What's her name's house?
00:34:24
Was it Ciara?
00:34:25
Ciara's house.
00:34:26
Kira.
00:34:27
Ciara!
00:34:28
Spelled Ciara in the IMDb, my bad.
00:34:30
it's called Ciara.
00:34:31
Okay, nobody spells Kiara with a K, or with a C.
00:34:36
The Irish do.
00:34:42
Yeah.
00:34:43
Mine is too!
00:34:44
It means friend.
00:34:46
true.
00:34:47
Mine means small curly haired one.
00:34:49
Yeah, okay.
00:34:50
Did you have curly hair?
00:34:52
Growing up?
00:34:53
I know you do now, but did you?
00:34:58
okay.
00:34:58
Cute.
00:34:59
like, I was named before I had hair, so.
00:35:01
Okay.
00:35:02
worked out.
00:35:03
Yeah, my parents wrote 50 names down each and that was the only one they had in
00:35:08
common.
00:35:08
So.
00:35:09
That's what we did.
00:35:10
I think we've had this conversation.
00:35:11
That's what Dylan and I did is we just wrote down a bunch of names.
00:35:14
Yeah.
00:35:16
Yeah.
00:35:16
Yeah, anyways, there were a lot of things.
00:35:19
It just kind of felt a little unfinished.
00:35:21
I feel like there were things that they could have cut and things that they could
00:35:25
have expanded on and I wasn't really a fan of the ending and I needed them to stop
00:35:31
telling me everything.
00:35:34
The thing about a mystery is that when you just start telling people what's
00:35:37
happening, it kind of takes away the whole aspect of what makes a mystery fun.
00:35:41
So instead of letting us figure it out, they were just like, I'm going to lay it
00:35:46
all out for you.
00:35:48
And that was rough.
00:35:49
They did at the end though, the university when she goes to get his stuff or
00:35:54
whatever, the professor's stuff, they filmed that at the University of Galway.
00:35:58
And apparently, AM Shine, who wrote the novel, went there.
00:36:03
He's an alum.
00:36:05
Yeah.
00:36:06
So there was like behind the scenes footage when they were shooting there and
00:36:09
he was there on set.
00:36:11
Like,
00:36:11
didn't see any behind the scenes footage.
00:36:13
I literally searched The Watchers behind the scenes footage and I got that so yeah.
00:36:21
I just searched watchers interviews, which is probably why I didn't see any behind
00:36:27
the scenes.
00:36:28
Yeah, unfortunately, like, which I mean, pros and cons of doing new movies, it's
00:36:33
like, we obviously want to talk about stuff that we're excited about new movies
00:36:37
that are coming out.
00:36:38
But there's also sometimes not that much about them.
00:36:42
Yeah.
00:36:43
I was hoping the IMDb would be full of, here's what like exact differences between
00:36:49
this and the book.
00:36:50
Yeah.
00:36:51
Yeah, I ended up watching an hour long essay, video essay on the differences and
00:36:55
why the book is better than the movie.
00:36:58
But she didn't like the book either.
00:37:03
like both shit, but the book was a little better.
00:37:06
the book is better, but like not by a lot.
00:37:10
Yeah, don't waste your time.
00:37:13
Which is sad because I do, I would really like to read the book, but I feel like the
00:37:18
twist, the reveal, it just won't land.
00:37:22
a moot point now when you already know what is going to happen.
00:37:26
There's some books that I feel like you could read and know what happens and like,
00:37:29
it's still fun, but.
00:37:31
Yeah.
00:37:31
This one I feel like is kind of dependent on that like...
00:37:33
twist, I guess?
00:37:34
I don't know, I kept seeing people call it a twist in interviews and stuff and I was
00:37:38
like...
00:37:40
If that surprised you...
00:37:42
You can come over to my house, we'll do like a whole little session on media
00:37:45
literacy and we'll figure it out because...
00:37:48
it was a reveal.
00:37:49
That you should have seen coming.
00:37:50
Yeah.
00:37:54
Okay, should we rate it?
00:37:58
All right, how scary do you think it was?
00:38:01
a one.
00:38:02
Okay.
00:38:03
I was not scared at all.
00:38:04
Not even a little bit?
00:38:06
No, okay.
00:38:06
felt more like a mystery, like a thriller -ish.
00:38:11
Yeah.
00:38:13
But I don't know, I think even, yeah, I don't know.
00:38:16
Even the beginning, I wasn't, I didn't even feel on the edge of my seat, really.
00:38:21
What about you?
00:38:23
give it a 1 .5.
00:38:25
Yeah, the suspense kind of did freak me out at the beginning.
00:38:30
And maybe it would have been a 2 even, but the second the word Fae came out of
00:38:36
Madeline's mouth, the illusion was just shattered and it was not scary anymore.
00:38:41
So.
00:38:41
Well, was it sexy?
00:38:44
Mm -hmm.
00:38:44
A little bit.
00:38:46
Yeah, I gave it a 2 .5.
00:38:49
Yeah, it's the woods, you know.
00:38:52
The woods really do it for me.
00:38:53
There's monsters with long fingers that does it for me.
00:38:56
The cast was great.
00:38:57
It was kind of, it was kind of Twilight -y because, you know, we're in the woods and
00:39:01
it's Dakota Fanning, she's a vampire.
00:39:04
Yeah, very hoa hoa.
00:39:08
it just was not, not sexy, you know?
00:39:10
So 2 .5.
00:39:12
Yeah.
00:39:12
All right.
00:39:13
So you also gave it a 2 .5, you agree with me?
00:39:16
I give it a two.
00:39:18
Yeah.
00:39:19
Yeah.
00:39:19
So I agree.
00:39:22
Celtic folklore?
00:39:24
What's not to be sexy about?
00:39:25
Okay, good.
00:39:27
Glad we're on the same page.
00:39:28
Yeah, always.
00:39:29
Well, not always, but about this.
00:39:31
This one time.
00:39:34
Yeah.
00:39:35
How fucked up did you think it was?
00:39:38
Yeah.
00:39:38
Yeah, nothing really crazy happened.
00:39:41
You gave it at one as well?
00:39:42
Yeah, I also give it a 1.
00:39:43
Yeah, I'm not fucked up at all.
00:39:45
Though I will say if anything had happened to that parrot, I would have been pissed.
00:39:49
That would have been fucked up.
00:39:51
Yeah, like a conure.
00:39:53
What?
00:39:55
Is that the type of parrot?
00:39:57
It's like a bird.
00:39:57
I don't know that they're parrots, but they're...
00:40:00
maybe?
00:40:00
Yeah, I think so.
00:40:02
I just don't know a lot about a bird, you know?
00:40:04
Birds are birds.
00:40:05
Golden Conure, didn't they say at the beginning?
00:40:07
A Golden Conure?
00:40:08
I could be making shit up.
00:40:09
you wouldn't know the difference.
00:40:10
I wouldn't, I'm sorry.
00:40:13
One day I'll know my birds.
00:40:15
Hang out with me long enough Did you see that I like had a spiritual moment with a
00:40:23
hummingbird today.
00:40:23
Did you get that snapchat?
00:40:25
Yeah, I think Yeah, I think he was ouchy.
00:40:28
He was like holding his weight.
00:40:29
I mean he might have been just cooling down.
00:40:31
It was really fucking hot today It was like 112 So he might have just been
00:40:35
cooling down, but like he didn't move.
00:40:37
He let me touch him
00:40:39
Well, I hope he's okay now.
00:40:42
did end up going into the tree above that, so at least he's got the height.
00:40:46
Okay, not totally broken.
00:40:50
I'll check on him tomorrow.
00:40:51
Perfect.
00:40:53
Overall, what did you think?
00:40:56
yeah.
00:40:57
I gave it a two.
00:40:59
Yeah, this movie had so much potential.
00:41:03
Horror fantasy is just like, correct me if I'm wrong, it's not something that I've
00:41:08
seen that I've enjoyed yet, right?
00:41:10
I don't think that there's been a horror fantasy that I've liked.
00:41:14
Let me see, I think that's one of my categories.
00:41:18
Yeah.
00:41:18
but I take them out once we've done them.
00:41:20
I don't remember if we've done horror fantasy yet.
00:41:23
Okay, well either way, I just don't think that I've seen one that's been done really
00:41:27
well yet.
00:41:29
And this one should have been it.
00:41:31
Like it had all of the bones to be a really great horror fantasy movie, but it
00:41:36
just, it held your hand too much to make a really significant impact with the reveal
00:41:40
at the end.
00:41:41
Like the twists just all fell really flat.
00:41:44
Well, with the exception that the Watchers were fairies, I did not see that coming,
00:41:48
but that was not like a good kind of shock.
00:41:50
That was like a, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:41:52
Like.
00:41:52
why.
00:41:53
And I think what went wrong here is that, I mean, this is my opinion, Ishana had
00:42:00
read and loved the book and told the story from the perspective of someone who read
00:42:06
and loved the book, not from the perspective of a moviegoer virgin to the
00:42:11
world that she did a really terrible job building.
00:42:13
You know what I mean?
00:42:14
So I was just like,
00:42:16
Really disappointed.
00:42:17
I wanted so badly to love this.
00:42:18
I was the one who said that we needed to watch this.
00:42:20
And then to find out that it was a horror movie about fairies.
00:42:24
I was just more pissed.
00:42:25
I really wanted to love it, but I just don't.
00:42:29
And the only saving grace, the only reason I gave it a two and not a one or a one and
00:42:32
a half was some of the acting was good, salvageable.
00:42:35
There were some like funny bits.
00:42:38
I liked the finger things that were happening occasionally and there was like
00:42:41
some good tension towards the beginning.
00:42:44
And I do think this is a lot of things to just give it one point, but and I do think
00:42:48
Ishana should get some amount of credit for this being her debut, but like.
00:42:53
Not much.
00:42:54
That's all.
00:42:56
Would you give it?
00:42:58
Yeah.
00:42:59
Yeah.
00:43:00
kept thinking it was going to be wendigos, which is also kind of like, is that
00:43:04
folklore?
00:43:05
Technically?
00:43:07
Yeah.
00:43:07
No, not definitely not Celtic.
00:43:08
I think that's like, yeah.
00:43:11
But that's what I thought it was going to be because they're known to like mimic and
00:43:15
like possess people and stuff like that.
00:43:16
So that's what I thought.
00:43:18
And then she was like, fairies.
00:43:20
And I was like, excuse me.
00:43:23
Okay, sure, let's roll with that.
00:43:29
Yeah, this one was hard.
00:43:30
I kept going back and forth between a 2 and a 2 .5 because the first half of it, I
00:43:36
liked.
00:43:37
It was cool and interesting and I liked where it was going and then it just all
00:43:41
fell apart so fast.
00:43:43
Can I do a 2 .25?
00:43:45
Is that allowed?
00:43:48
That's true.
00:43:49
I think we talked about this a while ago that we should be allowed to do it.
00:43:52
So I think we should be allowed to.
00:43:55
I think you just listen to your heart and go with two.
00:43:57
Honestly, I think if I had to choose between a 2 and a 2 .5, I would go with a
00:44:03
2.
00:44:03
The exposition just killed it for me.
00:44:07
Like you can't just sit...
00:44:08
I would just listen to the audiobook if I wanted to listen and you tell me what's
00:44:11
happening.
00:44:12
I just don't understand the choices that were made here.
00:44:15
Well, and the book didn't do that.
00:44:19
The book left-
00:44:20
because that's what a book does, it tells you!
00:44:22
book even left things to the imagination that the movie didn't.
00:44:26
Yeah, I just, yeah, I don't know.
00:44:29
It just, it didn't like you.
00:44:31
I wanted to like this.
00:44:32
Like I saw the trailer.
00:44:33
I was like, that's cool.
00:44:36
The atmosphere of the movie was really cool.
00:44:39
Well, the first half and then yeah, it just fell apart so quickly.
00:44:44
And it was so anticlimactic.
00:44:47
Like they're like, I don't know, the guy tells them how to get out and then they
00:44:51
just get out and that's fine.
00:44:54
And then the guy dies, but like that was kind of insignificant to be honest.
00:44:58
There wasn't even tension around that moment.
00:45:00
And then they just like travel for a while.
00:45:03
crazy.
00:45:04
just to reveal a twist that we already knew was coming.
00:45:07
Yeah, and then what?
00:45:09
Like so Madeline's watching her.
00:45:12
So?
00:45:13
Okay.
00:45:16
So...
00:45:18
Yeah.
00:45:19
- there's no like threat.
00:45:20
There was no ending.
00:45:22
The ending was - the ending was, you know, it's - it's Mad - Madeline's a halfling.
00:45:27
We knew that already!
00:45:29
And like, ugh.
00:45:31
Well, did we know that?
00:45:32
We knew she was a watcher.
00:45:35
Yeah.
00:45:36
I didn't think he fucked a monster.
00:45:38
That was kind of surprising.
00:45:40
I'm not saying I wouldn't, I'm just saying.
00:45:43
Maybe I will give it a 2 .5 for Monsterfucking, you know?
00:45:46
yeah, that's, I don't know.
00:45:47
no.
00:45:48
I just, yeah I don't know.
00:45:50
I guess it makes sense though because why else would she be like the special chosen
00:45:53
one?
00:45:53
But at that point like all logic had just gone out the window so I was just
00:45:56
expecting them to be like, she's just built different.
00:45:58
That's the reason.
00:45:59
Which is what they do in the movie, but not in the book.
00:46:02
So...
00:46:03
The book had that part right, at least.
00:46:05
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:08
Overall, not my favorite film.
00:46:11
No.
00:46:13
Disappointing.
00:46:14
Yeah.
00:46:15
Maybe July will be better to us.
00:46:18
Hopefully.
00:46:19
Although May was good to me.
00:46:22
I liked I Saw the TV Glow.
00:46:24
was good to us both, just you a little bit more than me.
00:46:27
You keep saying I didn't like it.
00:46:29
I did like it!
00:46:30
If I didn't like Arcadian, you didn't like I Saw the TV Glow.
00:46:33
That's the rules.
00:46:35
Thank you.
00:46:36
That's what I wanted to hear.
00:46:40
I liked I Saw the TV Glow more than you liked Arcadian, but not half a point more.
00:46:44
You know what I mean?
00:46:45
Because that's another I would give it Arcadian's a three.
00:46:49
I Saw the TV Glow 3 .25.
00:46:50
now you're adding a 2 .5, a 3 .25.
00:46:55
because you said it was going to be a 2 .5 and then you added a 3.
00:47:00
Yeah, whatever.
00:47:01
It just feels like a lot of backtracking.
00:47:04
But, hold on, I feel like...
00:47:06
It hasn't been the worst year for horror movies.
00:47:10
I feel like overall I've enjoyed most of the ones I've seen.
00:47:13
She forgot about Night Swim.
00:47:15
I was just about to say, Night Swim and this were like the two clunkers that we've
00:47:19
reviewed.
00:47:21
I wouldn't put this in the same category as Night Swim.
00:47:24
Night Swim had no redeeming qualities.
00:47:27
This movie at least was a little horny.
00:47:32
Yeah, but it was still bad.
00:47:33
It wasn't good.
00:47:34
ones, Lisa Frankenstein, Stopmotion, Arcadian, and I Saw the TV Glow were much
00:47:38
better.
00:47:40
Those I would all recommend people see.
00:47:43
This, I would never, I would never tell anyone to watch Night Swim.
00:47:46
That would be actively wishing harm against them.
00:47:50
And then this one I would be like, if you're super fucking bored and you have
00:47:56
nothing else to watch and it's on streaming, maybe.
00:47:59
But probably not.
00:48:01
recommend it to Celtic folklore fans because that would spoil the one thing
00:48:06
that was sort of interesting.
00:48:08
Yeah, and they don't even really like expand upon that in like an interesting
00:48:12
way.
00:48:12
It's just like, they're fairies.
00:48:13
Yeah, and it doesn't even look like Celtic folklore, which is the coolest part of
00:48:17
Celtic folklore, is how it looks.
00:48:19
Like the vibes, you know?
00:48:21
folklore is so cool and like, yeah.
00:48:24
this just didn't, it just missed.
00:48:27
Yeah...
00:48:28
You know what's funny though?
00:48:28
Is that what did you write?
00:48:29
You rattled off four movies that were good this year and two movies that weren't.
00:48:34
And literally before we started recording, you were talking about another movie that
00:48:37
you saw this year that you didn't like.
00:48:38
So it's literally like.
00:48:40
But I did say movies that we've reviewed have been mostly good.
00:48:45
We've been picking them pretty well until this.
00:48:51
Well, what were our other options?
00:48:53
Tarot was one of our options.
00:48:55
That was terrible.
00:48:59
I did see Tarot, that was bad.
00:49:01
In a Violent Nature, it was between that and The Watchers.
00:49:05
In a Violent Nature and Watchers?
00:49:06
Yeah, and I did see In a Violent Nature.
00:49:09
I was not personally a fan of it.
00:49:12
And so what you're telling me is that there's been more shitty horror movies
00:49:14
than good ones this year.
00:49:16
Yes, but not that we've talked about.
00:49:20
We're doing better than the general.
00:49:24
Yeah, because there's even more.
00:49:25
There was Imaginary, that was a clunker, people said I still haven't seen it yet.
00:49:29
Strangers Chapter 1, that was a clunker, people said I still haven't seen it.
00:49:33
There's been a lot of clunkers this year, but we've been picking good ones.
00:49:38
Majority of the clunkers, Blumhouse.
00:49:39
Yeah.
00:49:40
I will give Blumhouse credit though for the fact that like...
00:49:44
At least they do things that are like different and kind of take chances on like
00:49:49
smaller people, you know?
00:49:51
See, I would give that honor to A24.
00:49:53
I agree, but like.
00:49:56
But like, yeah, Blumhouse does a lot of like.
00:50:00
Just pushes out a lot of stuff, whether or not it's good, it doesn't really matter,
00:50:04
but I will say like.
00:50:06
It is kind of cool to like, they saw a short and turned it into a movie and gave
00:50:10
this opportunity to a person who just made a short.
00:50:12
You know what I mean?
00:50:13
Like even though Night Swim was fucking terrible and should have stayed a short,
00:50:16
but I will at least give them credit for like.
00:50:20
Yeah, that's fair.
00:50:21
Even though A24 does the exact same thing.
00:50:23
Better.
00:50:24
Like significantly better.
00:50:25
Yes, and Neon, honestly Neon is kind of like crawling up on A24's ass.
00:50:29
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:30
Anyways, next month is the movie that I'm most excited for this year, so I'm gonna
00:50:33
be pretty sad if it's not good.
00:50:35
I thought you were most looking forward to Strangers.
00:50:37
No.
00:50:37
I mean, like, I'm excited.
00:50:38
I was excited for that now, not, but no.
00:50:42
The movie I was most excited for this year is Longlegs.
00:50:47
And we're going to talk about that next month in July when it comes out.
00:50:52
Yeah, Longlegs could very well have been the name for Arcadian.
00:50:55
Yeah.
00:50:56
And it stars Nick Cage.
00:51:00
Good point.
00:51:01
Yeah.
00:51:02
Anyway, okay.
00:51:03
What's next week?
00:51:06
well, would you survive?
00:51:08
Yeah.
00:51:09
already talked about Dakota Fanning and Georgina Campbell.
00:51:12
They're not.
00:51:13
I am surviving.
00:51:16
Because I'm not, I mean, I'm assuming I'm Dakota Fanning.
00:51:20
And I'm not walking away from my car to try to hand deliver a bird through a
00:51:24
forest.
00:51:25
I'm figuring out the car situation.
00:51:29
you are turning into a mechanic.
00:51:32
No, I mean maybe if that's what it takes but
00:51:35
that it's like a forest caused it to shut down.
00:51:38
So I don't think you can just figure out the car.
00:51:43
Yeah, that's why they like explained that he created the generator that keeps that
00:51:48
place going.
00:51:49
But all the other technology shuts down, which is why her car is.
00:51:52
Yeah, I miss that entirely.
00:51:55
Yeah, so you go back, you wouldn't be able to just drive through.
00:52:01
I mean, I'm still not leaving the car.
00:52:03
Just like, walk back where you came from until you get cell service and call
00:52:08
somebody.
00:52:09
I think that would also be my move.
00:52:12
I would just, cause she was on a road.
00:52:14
So I'm just following the road.
00:52:16
Yeah, like just backtrack a little bit until you get service.
00:52:20
I mean, you're going to get service eventually.
00:52:22
Yeah.
00:52:22
Yeah, I'm with you.
00:52:24
I think that's kind of the move.
00:52:25
Like how far away that's another plot hole is, like how far away was she from this
00:52:28
place that she thought that she could just walk the rest of the way?
00:52:30
Well, I don't, she thought that someone was there, because she saw the sign.
00:52:34
So she was like, I think someone lives here.
00:52:37
So she was trying to find help for her car.
00:52:40
Maybe I should have watched this three times.
00:52:42
I think you maybe missed some of the exposition apparently.
00:52:49
But yeah, no, she was like trying to find someone who lived nearby.
00:52:53
Okay.
00:52:55
Well, she told that to the bird.
00:52:57
Yeah, she just kept talking to the bird.
00:52:58
Also, if this forest, the movie starts out with her saying that this forest is not on
00:53:03
any map, it's not like, it's like this mystery forest in Ireland, right?
00:53:08
So like A, why was her GPS routing her through that forest to get to this place?
00:53:14
I don't have a B, but we should talk about A because that doesn't make any goddamn
00:53:18
sense.
00:53:19
The whole movie didn't make any goddamn sense.
00:53:20
It didn't.
00:53:21
kd, why was this movie bad?
00:53:24
was so bad.
00:53:25
my God.
00:53:27
I was so disappointed.
00:53:28
I wanted it to be good so bad.
00:53:30
Yeah, I did too.
00:53:32
Yeah.
00:53:33
Betrayal.
00:53:34
Betrayal from the Shyamalan family.
00:53:36
If Trap this summer is bad, they will be hearing from me.
00:53:43
Is that an M Night or an Ishana movie?
00:53:45
That's a M Night.
00:53:46
It's the one with Josh Hartnett that's coming out.
00:53:49
I love him.
00:53:50
The one at the concert?
00:53:52
Yeah, which is also the, by the way, the concert in that movie is just his other
00:53:58
daughter.
00:53:58
He's just doing like, it's just to promote her music career, I think.
00:54:02
So like, it's the summer of Shyamalan nepotism.
00:54:07
And if that one sucks too, I'm making a phone call.
00:54:12
To who?
00:54:12
I don't know, but I'm going to try to reach them.
00:54:15
I'm going to write a fan letter and be like, fuck you.
00:54:17
This is our fan letter.
00:54:18
This is our fan letter.
00:54:19
This episode is our fan letter to the Shyamalan family.
00:54:22
Just tell them to stop fucking up, please.
00:54:26
Yeah.
00:54:27
You gotta start popping your puss.
00:54:29
Yeah, I would just like to also formally apologize to Ishana for just ragging on
00:54:32
this movie, like...
00:54:33
I don't think that I will apologize.
00:54:35
I feel like this was constructive criticism.
00:54:37
That's fair.
00:54:39
and I gave her her props about, you know, acknowledging her privilege.
00:54:44
Maybe one day she can prove us wrong.
00:54:47
Hope she does.
00:54:47
Wishing you the best Ishana.
00:54:49
I hope she sticks with the vibe, the vibe of the two movies that she talked about,
00:54:53
her liking of her dads and like this like foresty fantasy horror.
00:54:58
like, honestly, if she went more into folklore and like, atmosphere, like kept
00:55:03
that atmosphere that she was able to create, like, there's not no hope.
00:55:08
It's just.
00:55:09
a sequel to the book coming.
00:55:12
god.
00:55:14
Don't.
00:55:14
This movie's already not doing well, so.
00:55:18
Although fuck, didn't M.
00:55:19
Night Shyamalan like fund it, so it doesn't even matter.
00:55:21
He could just fund another movie.
00:55:23
Yeah, he funded it and then sold it to Warner Brothers for 30 million.
00:55:26
Yeah, it's made 15?
00:55:30
So far.
00:55:32
A little over 15.
00:55:33
Crazy.
00:55:34
Crazy, crazy girl.
00:55:35
need is a dream and daddy's money.
00:55:40
a dream and a very rich father.
00:55:43
Yeah.
00:55:44
God, I wish that were me.
00:55:45
I don't have either of those things.
00:55:50
and fun fact tomorrow is Father's Day, so...
00:55:53
Well, when we're recording this.
00:55:55
If you're hearing this.
00:55:56
I hope you had a previously good Father's Day.
00:56:00
all right, well next we had to kind of film out of order because kd is going out
00:56:04
of town.
00:56:06
so you've already seen next week's movie.
00:56:08
It's Jennifer's Body.
00:56:10
I know, you don't get to predict it.
00:56:14
Didn't I though?
00:56:14
Didn't I predict it during Scream?
00:56:16
No, I predicted Watchers.
00:56:19
Yeah.
00:56:19
Yeah.
00:56:20
Too bad.
00:56:21
I would have gotten real close.
00:56:24
So close.
00:56:25
Yeah.
00:56:25
But anyways, I'm excited to talk about it.
00:56:27
We've already talked about it, but I'm excited for everybody to hear us talk
00:56:30
about it.
00:56:32
that's what we meant.
00:56:34
So yeah, thank you for listening.
00:56:37
Be sure to like and subscribe.
00:56:39
We'll see you next week for Jennifer's Body.
00:56:42
Bye.
00:56:43
Bye.
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