Happy Tuesday! This week we’re comparing and ranking the 1978 and 2004 versions of Dawn of the Dead!
The 1978 version is directed by George A. Romero and stars David Emge, Gaylen Ross, Ken Foree, and Scott Reiniger, whose characters team up in a mall in an attempt to survive a sudden zombie apocalypse. In 2004, Zack Snyder and James Gunn teamed up to remake the movie, starringSarah Polley, Ving Rhames, Jake Weber, Micahel Kelly, and Ty Burrell, who ALSO team up in a mall to escape zombies.
Horror News Roundup
👉 28 Years Later release date (June 2025) and Nia DaCosta (The Marvels): https://variety.com/2024/film/news/28-years-later-release-date-june-2025-1235999311/
👉 Jordan Peele’s movie GOAT now titled Him, gets release date (Fall 2025): https://www.thewrap.com/jordan-peele-him-horror-movie-release-date-universal/
👉 Travis Kelce to act in Ryan Murphy’s FX horror drama, Grotesquerie: https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/travis-kelce-joins-grotesquerie-ryan-murphy-1235995278/
Next Week
In this episode, kd guesses the plot of I Saw the TV Glow (the newly-released A24 horror film) for next week!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kymDzCgPwj0
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Hello?
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Hi, happy Tuesday.
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Happy Tuesday.
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Welcome back to Killer Cuties Podcast.
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That is us.
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Yep.
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We have a little different today.
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We're doing something different.
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We are.
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Well, we're kind of doing a short little news section.
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No, I'll get there.
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Section before we jump in.
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Because we're talking about two different movies.
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We're talking about the original 1978, Dawn of the Dead and its remake in 2004.
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So obviously, a lot to talk about.
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Two whole movies being covered all at once.
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So should I kick us off with some news?
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All right, I have two,
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kind of smaller pieces of news.
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One, we talked about 28 Years Later what, last episode or something?
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Yeah.
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But it's got a release date.
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So it's currently set for June 20th of 2025.
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And apparently, we've also learned that it's going to be part of a trilogy of new
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movies in that universe.
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Oooh!
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So yeah, one of three, Alex Garland is set to write all three movies, but Danny Boyle
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will only be directing the first one and then he's gonna be passing it over to Nia
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DaCosta for the second one.
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So I don't know if she's doing the third as well, but I think she did The Marvels,
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which I didn't see, but I did see her re -imagining of Candyman and I enjoyed it.
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So I'm excited.
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Yeah, and then we also have news on Jordan Peele's fourth film.
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So it was originally titled GOAT.
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I think we mentioned that a few episodes back, but it's been retitled.
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Yes.
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Yes, it's been described as an anti -sports horror movie, but it's been
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retitled to Him.
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He's Him, I guess.
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But anyways, that has also been given a release date.
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It's set for September 19th of 2025.
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So I think that's been pushed back because I feel like originally we were supposed to
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get it late this year, but it keeps getting pushed back.
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I don't remember.
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it's fine.
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He's him.
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I guess.
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Who's playing him?
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I have no idea.
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We'll find out.
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We will.
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Do you have any horror news?
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okay.
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Hit me.
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for all the other reputation era girlies out there.
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It's a Taylor Swift joke.
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Ryan Murphy is releasing a new horror drama series called Grotesquerie which
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will premiere this fall on FX.
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We previously learned it'll star Niecy Nash, Courtney Vance, and Leslie Manville,
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but it was just released this week that and none other
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than Super Bowl winning tight end Travis Kelce will be playing a role in the show.
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We don't know how big of a role.
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We don't even know anything about the plot or the characters.
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We know nothing about this show, but we're only a few months out now.
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So we'll keep you updated as we hear more.
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You'll keep them updated.
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I will be washing my hands of that.
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I'm doing the Lord's work.
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Eww!
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Someone needs to stop Ryan Murphy.
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I say that with love.
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Stop.
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Well, maybe if he gets a fresh start on something.
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No.
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He's done.
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got a few good seasons out of every show he's ever done, and then they just started
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sucking.
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So maybe if he just does this one for a couple of seasons, it'll
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It's got Niecy Nash.
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low hopes, I'm gonna be honest.
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I do like her, I do like Niecy Nash, but that's about all that sounds good in that
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to me, personally.
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All right, should we get into it?
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We got a meaty episode today.
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Let's talk about- beefy, we have the beef.
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Okay, don't sue us, Arby's.
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Okay, we're gonna talk about both
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Dawn of the Dead movies.
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So the 1978, the IMDb description of that plot is, during an escalating zombie
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epidemic, two Philadelphia SWAT team members, a traffic reporter and his TV
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executive girlfriend seek refuge in a secluded shopping mall.
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The only thing that changes about the description for the 2004 remake is who's
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trapped in the mall.
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So there's just a few more people.
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Some include a nurse, a policeman, a young married couple, a salesman and others.
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So that's kind of the two descriptions of the two movies.
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The 1978 version was written and directed by George A.
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Romero.
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It's the second in his kind of zombie series, After Night of the Living Dead.
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It is starring David Emge and Ken Foree.
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It's Rotten Tomatoes score is a critic score of 91 % and its IMDb score is 7 .8.
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And the 2004 remake was directed by Zack Snyder, screenplay by James Gunn,
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obviously based on the original.
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And that stars Sarah Polley, Ving Rhames, and Jake Weber.
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It has a critic score of 76 % and an IMDb of 7 .3.
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Nice.
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a lot.
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I just said a lot of words.
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I mean, there's a lot to go over.
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Yeah, two whole movies.
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We've never done an episode like this before.
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Yeah, I'm excited.
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Yeah.
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Also, I just put together the connection that it starts with Night of the Living
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Dead and then dawn of the living dead and then day of the living dead.
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Yeah.
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They go through all of the phases of the day with the evening, the brunch of the
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living dead.
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Twilight of the Living Dead.
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Yeah, a lot of people don't know that the Twilight series is a part of this
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universe.
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I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
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I love to lie on the internet.
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I guess should we start with like fun facts about the original and we can kind
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of compare it to the remake and then kind of move into that?
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All right.
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Tom Savini, star of the 1978 movie.
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He's a special effects guy and I think he played like the lead biker or something.
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He acted in it too.
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But yeah, he was kind of the backbone of this movie.
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He picked the gray skin tone because the Night of the Living Dead from the 60s was
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in black and white.
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So like...
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skin tone wasn't depicted, so he kind of had like free reign of like, what do we
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want zombies to look like in pop culture?
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But he ended up hating it because it looked really blue on film.
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Yeah, it was definitely a choice.
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But yeah, I feel like there were a couple things that this was very early, I think
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in, well, I guess not in his acting career, but like, he then did a very long
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history of movies and doing horror special effects.
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So I think this was kind of early on in his career of that.
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And I think there were a lot of things that he talked about in this that he was
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like, I didn't like how that turned out, you know?
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And a lot of it he just did off the cuff, off the fly, like
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George A.
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Romero never used storyboards, so they just kind of showed up and did it, which
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is funny because last episode we talked about them doing 800 square storyboards
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for scenes in Pandorum, but completely, yeah, total opposite from that.
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But yeah, I think he had also said that he didn't like the way the blood turned out.
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Even though George A.
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Romero was like, no, it was great.
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It looked like a comic book and that was like the vibe he was going for.
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So.
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Yeah, the blood was food coloring, cane sugar syrup, and peanut butter.
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Yeah.
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which just sounds like a cookie to me.
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I can just bake it and it's cookie.
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And then they used real cow intestines for the scene where one of the bikers is
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getting his guts ripped out.
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Yeah.
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one of the more gore heavy movies that we've seen.
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Yeah.
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And that's, the- they, to avoid an X rating, cause that's what they thought
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they were going to get.
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They just had it go, not rated, like they didn't rate it at all.
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Cause they were like, there's no way.
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And they didn't want the X rating.
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Cause back then it was, that was associated with like porn.
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So we were like, we don't want people to think it's a porn, but we also don't want
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the X rating and we don't want to cut anything.
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So.
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Yeah, I mean there's definitely more gory things that are rated R nowadays.
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I think back in the 70s they were a little uptight.
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Live a little people.
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Yeah, we've come a long way in terms of what constitutes an R rating.
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Now versus then.
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think that the X rating is associated with graphic sex.
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I think you can get away with so much more gore now and still get an R rating for
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whatever reason.
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The sex is not.
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That's X.
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Sex.
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That's why.
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Fun fact.
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Yeah.
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Mm -hmm.
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Also in the original ending of the original...
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the original ending of the original...
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No, they weren't supposed to live.
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In the version we have now, Peter and Fran kind of fly away on the helicopter, which
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I do love the ending scene.
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"How much fuel we got?
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Not a lot.
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Okay." Alright, we're doing what we can.
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Yeah, so it's still definitely an up in the air,
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not looking good ending, but I guess Romero had kind of fallen in love with the
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characters over the course of filming and said, never mind, let's not kill them off.
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Peter was supposed to, I think, end his life when he had stayed back.
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And then I've heard two versions that either Fran also ends her life by sticking
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her head in the blades of the helicopter, but I also read that it was more of an
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accident.
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So I don't know which version is true.
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Yeah, that like the zombies were coming and she stood up too fast and like, that's
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what happened.
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So I don't know, they never had even filmed it.
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So we don't know what it was actually, but I guess only they could tell us.
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I read both versions, so I don't know.
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Oof.
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I mean, yeah, it would have been a bigger statement had she,
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offed herself.
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Yeah.
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It would have been very like, what the hell, if it was an accident, that wouldn't
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have been as fun.
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I feel like, yeah, that would have been more of a shock, but also more angering to
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be like, my god, she almost made it.
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Yeah.
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But it wouldn't necessarily surprise me.
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If you've seen Night of the Living Dead, I know you haven't, but...
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He likes a little shocking ending.
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God.
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I was looking at all the...
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All the...
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Like, fun facts and stuff about this movie and it kept talking about Night of the
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Living Dead.
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I'm like, my God, did I watch the wrong fucking movie?
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Was I supposed to watch the one from the 60s first?
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No, no, your assignment was just the two Dawn of the Dead's.
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Technically, Night of the Living Dead is like the first in the series, but I
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consider them more kind of spiritual sisters than really a direct sequel.
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It's just kind of...
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different examples of how people would react in this situation.
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Well, Night of the Living Dead is the first movie that mentions zombies, right?
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And then it only mentions them once.
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Yeah, I think so.
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And I don't know, because I know for the most of the movie they're called ghouls.
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Yeah, one time I think it's like a radio.
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Like, yeah, some sort of like news radio, something or another they mentioned
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zombies.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's a first in a lot of things.
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Kind of popularized zombies, said zombies.
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I think it's technically the first horror movie with a black man as the lead.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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In Night of the Living Dead?
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Night of the Living Dead is what we're talking about.
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I don't want to spoil it.
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Good to know.
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Well, I know that the actor who took the role of, I'm just gonna, Kenneth.
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in the remake.
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Yes, Ving Rhames.
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Yes, so as soon as Ving Rhames heard that there was going to be a remake of Dawn of
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the Dead, he immediately like reached out to the producers.
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He wanted to be a part of it.
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Because, yeah, he said the Black guy lives in this and I want to be a part of it.
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So, so yes, Dawn of the Dead.
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Ken Foree's character does live.
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Yeah.
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Night of the Living Dead doesn't sound like so much.
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I don't want to spoil anything.
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Maybe you should do like earmuffs while I talk about that for a second.
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turn off my sound.
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Did she do it?
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Okay, she turned off her sound.
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So I'm just going to really quickly talk about that because it does kind of have a
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little bit to do with this is that Duane Jones was cast as Ben, the lead of Night
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of the Living Dead.
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And George A.
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Romero had just said, I just cast the person who was best for the job.
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But,
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he, his character, spoiler alert, does end up dying at the end and he's shot by a
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sheriff.
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And that actually came out around the same time that Martin Luther King Jr.
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was assassinated.
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And so I think unknowingly Romero kind of made this political statement or
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commentary on race issues that he didn't really mean to do.
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kd you can come back now.
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Okay, I'm back.
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back?
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Okay.
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I'm done talking about Night of the Living Dead, but I'm going to kind of continue
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what I was talking about is that George A.
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Romero kind of started commentary on race issues without, I think, really meaning to
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in Night of the Living Dead.
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But it kind of continues over into this movie.
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He does kind of talk about marginalized societies and like the raid at the
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beginning of the movie shows like this racist police officer just exacerbating an
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issue because he's rac- because of his racism.
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Mm -hmm.
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definitely a critique on that.
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And so I think in this movie, it's a little bit more blatant what he's trying
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to say than I think in Night of the Living Dead, it kind of happened accidentally
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because for your knowledge, what I had said was he cast Duane Jones as the lead
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character in Night of the Living Dead simply because he was the best actor for
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the role.
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He wasn't trying to say anything, but it ended up saying things unknowingly to him.
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But yeah, I actually found...
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someone's honor thesis that they did on like the Dead series.
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Yeah, and it was called The Racial Critique of Consumerism in George Romero's
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Zombie Films by Henry Powell.
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And it was actually like really interesting.
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I didn't get to read all of it because it was very long.
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It's a thesis, but I read through a bit of the section that he did on Dawn of the
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Dead because he kind of went through each of the movies.
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And it was really interesting.
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He kind of talked about the zombies wandering through the mall and that was
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kind of his critique on consumerism and how
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they go there because once they're brain dead, they go back to somewhere familiar
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and everybody's so used to being pushed to go spend your money and be in these malls
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and consume.
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And he did talk a lot about the opening scene and the impact on marginalized
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communities as well.
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And yeah, I don't know, Google it, give it a read.
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We'll have to link it or something.
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Yeah, it was actually like really interesting.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, no, I like the kind of concept in these films that there is a little bit of
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a muscle memory to the zombies because we don't get that a lot.
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It's usually just like totally thoughtless.
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Just killers, I guess.
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Was it the it was the 78 film where
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Steven, right?
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It turns into a zombie and then he goes back to the safe room.
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Yeah.
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He, it's like his, yeah, you go back to your instinct of what's natural to you.
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So he leads the zombies into the safe room.
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And that's why Peter and Fran kind of have to book it out of there.
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jump ship.
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Yeah, we don't get that a lot.
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No, yeah, that definitely was an interesting take on it.
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Although, this being one of the originals, maybe people don't do that now because
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they're trying to be different.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I also liked how the zombies learned how to run in their 40 years between the
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movies.
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Yes.
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Yeah, and fun fact, that was- the remake was actually inspired by 28 Days Later.
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So the fact that they, yeah, the fact that they ran in that movie was like,
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terrifying.
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And so when they did the remake, they were like, let's do that.
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Let's not have them walking.
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Mm -hmm.
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Yeah, because only two of the zombies in the 78 version ran and they were like the
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niece and nephew of Tom Savini, I think.
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Yeah, they were the only kids, so I think it's a little harder to stop them from
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running around set.
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Yeah, that was another thing.
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One of the directors, God, I'm getting everybody confused, said that he never
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gave any direction, specific direction, was it Romero?
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Yeah, he never gave any specific direction on how to be a zombie.
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He didn't say like, walk slow with your arms out or whatever.
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He just said, be dead.
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Yeah, and he made a good point.
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He said, if you give a hundred people a specific movement to do, they're all going
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to do that specific movement because they think, that's what they want.
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And then that doesn't look as good.
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So everybody doing the exact same thing.
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But I think he also said David Emge, who plays Stephen, did Romero's favorite
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zombie walk was his.
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So.
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Yeah, his was really good.
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He was dead.
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He was like running into shit and dragging his arm.
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Yeah, I liked him.
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He was a good zombie.
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Yeah, great, great zombie.
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Some of the extras were actual amputees.
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In both movies.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is kind of fun.
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Yeah, I love that.
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I think that's fun.
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Aww.
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See, like, what a cool opportunity to just be like, yeah, you just kind of get to be
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you.
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Yeah, I think I think it was Savini too who said growing up in Pittsburgh was like
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one of the dreams of everybody who grew up in Pittsburgh was to be a zombie extra in
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a Romero film.
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That was just because he always he shot there a lot.
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Which also, a thing I noticed, is that, I mean, it's only happened twice, so like
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coincidence, whatever, but this movie was the original is in Pittsburgh or
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Pennsylvania.
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And then the remake is moved to the Midwest.
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It's based in Wisconsin, in Milwaukee.
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And then they also did that to another Romero film when they remade it.
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He did the original Crazies.
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which was also set in Pennsylvania, and then the remake was moved to...
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Iowa.
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So I don't know, this Romero remake thing of just moving everything to the Midwest,
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but...
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Weird.
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Got us an Iowa movie i'm not gonna complain.
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Yeah, you have that and you have...
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What's his name?
00:20:53
No.
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I was thinking movies that were filmed in Iowa.
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There's a movie called Cedar Rapids, but it wasn't really filmed in Cedar Rapids.
00:21:02
There's a really high entertainment tax to film there, so it was cheaper to film
00:21:07
elsewhere.
00:21:08
my god.
00:21:10
It's like you don't want movies to be filmed there.
00:21:13
I don't think they do, I think they just want to make their Quaker Oats oatmeal and
00:21:18
then they want to farm corn and soybeans.
00:21:22
Iowa life, baby.
00:21:24
Yeah.
00:21:25
And then some people want to make meth.
00:21:27
But that's a whole another ball game.
00:21:29
that's a given.
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Obviously.
00:21:36
One more thing I'll say about the extras in the 78 movie is that they were paid a
00:21:42
dollar in cash, a donut, and a ton of the dead t -shirt.
00:21:45
I'd take it.
00:21:46
Honestly, yeah, I want to be an extra.
00:21:52
the friends and family of the cast were a part of it.
00:21:57
The flyover shots, I think they used a lot of actual like law enforcement and fire
00:22:02
department people, just as they were just like, hey, do you want to be a part of
00:22:08
this movie?
00:22:08
And they showed up.
00:22:11
But Tom Savini had also mentioned that
00:22:13
like years after he would still have people come up and be like, I was an
00:22:17
extra, I was a zombie on Dawn of the Dead.
00:22:18
And he's like, oh shit.
00:22:21
funny.
00:22:22
Yeah.
00:22:23
I like that they, speaking of like the overhead scenes, I like that they use the
00:22:28
same helicopter for the remake and the, yeah, the same like news helicopter, it's
00:22:33
all yellow.
00:22:34
Yeah, that was definitely a good touch.
00:22:40
Also, I think one of my favorite facts about the original is that Gaylen Ross
00:22:44
plays Fran.
00:22:46
And she insisted that Fran do fighting.
00:22:52
She was like, I'm not just going to sit back and not fight the zombies.
00:22:56
So she was like, I want to fight the zombies.
00:22:58
And then she also refused to scream.
00:23:01
She felt that Fran was a strong female character and if she screamed that that
00:23:06
strength would be taken away.
00:23:07
So she didn't want to scream.
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And I guess there was like one scene where George A.
00:23:12
Romero was like, can you scream?
00:23:14
And she was told him that and then he never asked her again.
00:23:17
So.
00:23:19
Nice.
00:23:19
Yeah, I liked that too.
00:23:20
I thought that was a cute way to give her some of her power that she had as a
00:23:26
character.
00:23:27
Yeah, I think it also just, George A.
00:23:31
Romero just seems like such a chill director to work with.
00:23:35
I remember another, I think Gaylen had also said that on her resume she had put
00:23:42
that she can ice skate.
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And so there's that scene where she's ice skating, but she hadn't done it in like 20
00:23:47
years.
00:23:47
So when she got on, she was stumbling around and could barely get the shot of
00:23:51
her actually doing the turn.
00:23:54
And
00:23:55
She was like, yeah, I just felt so bad, I lied.
00:23:57
And when George Romero was asked about it, he was like, I didn't care.
00:24:01
She didn't have to do the scene.
00:24:03
Like, we could have cut it.
00:24:04
Like.
00:24:07
funny.
00:24:08
So yeah, he definitely seemed like a chill go with the flow kind of guy.
00:24:13
Totally, totally.
00:24:16
Some of the actors playing zombies are the extras, would frequently get drunk.
00:24:25
I'm going off of the laid back vibe.
00:24:29
They'd get drunk at one of the late night bars across the street called Brown Derby.
00:24:33
One night they stole a golf cart and crashed into a marble pillar.
00:24:39
And it was like $8 worth of damage that they caused.
00:24:42
Yeah, well they were filming at a real mall so they were like, any damage that's
00:24:46
done you guys gotta pay for.
00:24:48
-hmm.
00:24:50
Yeah, and they had a pretty shoestring budget.
00:24:52
They were only like what?
00:24:54
I think they lied about the budget too to get the movie bought overseas, but it was
00:24:57
only like five hundred or six hundred thousand dollars.
00:25:00
Yeah, I think they lied and said it was like 1 .5 million or something, but that
00:25:04
was just to get foreign distributors involved.
00:25:07
Yeah.
00:25:10
Which worked, I mean, it's the most profitable of all the movies of all that
00:25:14
series.
00:25:14
Which is wild because Zack Snyder's version made like 250 million dollars.
00:25:21
Yeah.
00:25:21
That's a lot of money.
00:25:22
It is a lot of money.
00:25:23
I know George A.
00:25:24
Romero had reservations about the remake, just some of the elements, but he was
00:25:31
surprisingly impressed with it.
00:25:32
So it's good to know that it kind of got his approval.
00:25:37
Well, that's weird to me because he wrote it.
00:25:39
I mean, he helped write it with James Gunn.
00:25:41
Did he or was it just based on it?
00:25:44
I think he helped write it.
00:25:45
I don't think so.
00:25:47
He's credited as a writer.
00:25:49
Well yeah, because it's his...
00:25:50
it's...
00:25:52
based on his...
00:25:53
yes.
00:25:55
I don't think he did any work on the actual screenplay, but because it's based
00:26:01
on his work and his idea, he gets screenwriting credits.
00:26:06
Yeah.
00:26:06
James Gunn supposedly got a ton of like hate mail and death threats because he was
00:26:12
the one doing the writing, I guess.
00:26:16
because he wrote the Scooby Doo movies?
00:26:19
That's why people didn't want him to do it?
00:26:22
Yeah, which I think is shit.
00:26:24
If you don't like the Scooby Doo live -action movies, then f**k you.
00:26:27
Those movies are f**king incredible.
00:26:29
The first one is so fucking good.
00:26:33
I will not...
00:26:36
I will not accept any slander or hatred towards the live -action Scooby Doo
00:26:40
movies.
00:26:41
Yeah, also James Gunn gets the last laugh because he's the CEO of fucking DC Studios
00:26:46
now.
00:26:47
So all you motherf**kers that want him to write it, go f**k yourselves.
00:26:50
I hope you get hate mail.
00:26:54
In fact, maybe you will, and it'll be from me.
00:26:57
kd is writing hate mail right now.
00:27:00
all the people that wrote hate mail to James Gunn.
00:27:06
I mean, I hate James Gunn just as much as the next person because he absolutely
00:27:09
f**king ruined the Aquaman series, but whatever.
00:27:11
That switch up was crazy.
00:27:13
I mean, you can't hate on the man for writing the Scooby Doo movies, but you can
00:27:18
hate on him for f**king up Aquaman.
00:27:20
You went from James Gunn number one defender to literally sh**ting all over
00:27:27
the man.
00:27:28
Well, I mean, it's a dichotomy, right?
00:27:31
He wrote Scooby Doo.
00:27:33
And he wrote fucking Aquaman 2?
00:27:36
You're joking?
00:27:37
I've never seen any of the Aquamans, so...
00:27:40
write Aquaman 2.
00:27:41
Maybe I'm out of the wrong person.
00:27:42
I'm just going to check.
00:27:43
I'm just going to check real quick.
00:27:45
you just figure it out and then you let us know.
00:27:47
I'm just...
00:27:47
The intensity!
00:27:50
Worse!
00:27:51
It was fucking James Wan.
00:27:53
I knew that much, but didn't -
00:27:54
Oh, look at you, look at you!
00:27:56
He didn't even write it.
00:27:58
way, he was still in charge of it.
00:28:00
He's the fucking CEO of DC, so he could have made any amount of changes.
00:28:05
Wow.
00:28:06
James Wan, you're a sellout, but I love you.
00:28:10
I blame James Gunn.
00:28:14
I would also sell out, so I don't blame you James Wan.
00:28:20
Yeah, I just, I got a consonant wrong.
00:28:22
Gunn.
00:28:22
Wan.
00:28:23
All we know is it was a James.
00:28:24
yeah.
00:28:28
One of those two, you're days are numbered.
00:28:30
And it's not because you wrote the Scooby Doo movies.
00:28:33
Watch your fucking back!
00:28:38
Ay -yay.
00:28:42
So in the remake, back to the movies we're actually talking about, Ken Foree, Scott
00:28:52
Reiniger, and Tom Savini all appeared in the original, but they have cameos in the
00:28:58
remake as well.
00:28:59
Obviously playing different characters.
00:29:02
But yeah, and then Ken Foree also says the same line that he says in the original in
00:29:07
the remake.
00:29:09
He says, "When there's no more room on hell, the dead will walk the earth."
00:29:12
he says that in both.
00:29:15
Yeah!
00:29:15
So fun little nods to the original.
00:29:18
And then also, to honor Gaylen Ross, one of the stores in the mall is called Gaylen
00:29:26
Ross.
00:29:28
And she played Fran in the original.
00:29:30
So kind of just cute little nods to the OG.
00:29:34
Yeah.
00:29:35
I forget who plays...
00:29:37
is it CJ?
00:29:38
C?
00:29:39
Is it CJ?
00:29:40
Yeah.
00:29:40
Mm -hmm, that is Michael Kelly.
00:29:44
Yeah, when he's in the elevator and he says his line about, I love this song,
00:29:49
that made me giggle.
00:29:50
And there wasn't even any music playing when he said that.
00:29:53
He totally improvised it.
00:29:54
That's so fun.
00:29:55
Yeah.
00:29:56
Yeah.
00:29:56
He's a zaddy now, I don't know if you've seen him recently.
00:30:00
yeah, I have.
00:30:03
Thank you.
00:30:04
but he's real good looking now.
00:30:07
I'm trying to think of like the last thing I saw him in,
00:30:12
but I don't remember.
00:30:15
I just don't remember, but I know he's been in other stuff that I've seen.
00:30:19
The one person that I recognized from the remake is the kid.
00:30:24
Security guard.
00:30:25
He's in stuff.
00:30:28
Yeah, what's he in?
00:30:29
He's in like a Disney Channel original movie or something.
00:30:31
Yeah.
00:30:33
No, he was on Gossip Girl.
00:30:34
He was in It's a Boy Girl Thing.
00:30:39
He was in Frozen, not the Disney movie.
00:30:43
He was in The Mortal Instruments.
00:30:46
I wouldn't know him from any of these things.
00:30:48
He was in Zoom.
00:30:49
That's Disney, I think.
00:30:52
Is that Disney?
00:30:53
He was in...
00:30:54
I don't know what to tell you, man.
00:30:56
Air Bud: The Seventh Inning Fetch.
00:30:58
it.
00:30:58
That's it.
00:30:59
That's it.
00:30:59
It's the Airbud.
00:31:00
It's the seven.
00:31:01
Yeah, Airbud.
00:31:03
The baseball Airbud.
00:31:06
Yeah.
00:31:08
I knew he was in some DCOM something or another.
00:31:12
He's in other stuff.
00:31:13
he is, yeah.
00:31:14
He's definitely one of those people that you recognize but might not know his name.
00:31:20
I actually like- him and Lindy Booth, who plays Nicole, they kind of have like a
00:31:25
little like romance in this movie.
00:31:28
But then the year before that, they also played, I think, boyfriend and girlfriend
00:31:31
in Wrong Turn, another horror movie.
00:31:35
Yeah.
00:31:36
love that.
00:31:36
I think it's funny though that that's the only person that you recognized.
00:31:40
He's in all the Airbud's, not just Seventh Inning.
00:31:43
By the way.
00:31:44
just scrolling back so I didn't get to see all of them.
00:31:49
Okay, okay.
00:31:51
You didn't recognize anybody else?
00:31:53
don't think so.
00:31:54
I'm looking at the cast right now.
00:31:58
well, duh.
00:31:59
Yeah, sorry.
00:31:59
He just plays such a small part and he's such a dick.
00:32:04
He's kind of like a major plot point.
00:32:07
I guess, yeah, but...
00:32:11
Also, I'm so glad that I watched the movie.
00:32:17
I watched the first, the old movie first, obviously.
00:32:20
-hmm.
00:32:20
Got to the credits, threw down my headphones and ran to make food, came
00:32:24
back, watched the second movie.
00:32:26
And I'm so glad I left my headphones on once the credits hit and then left to go
00:32:30
and make a snack or whatever I did.
00:32:32
Because I wouldn't have missed the whole found footage thing at the end.
00:32:36
Wait, you watched the remake first?
00:32:40
I thought you said you made the snack in between the two movies.
00:32:42
Yeah, but I mean both movies ended and at the end of both movies I went to go and do
00:32:47
something.
00:32:48
The first time I took my headphones off and just went and like made a stand and
00:32:50
came back.
00:32:52
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:52
The second time I kept the headphones on and thank God because more movie stuff was
00:32:57
playing I was like, should I like go back and watch?
00:32:59
So then I went back and watched it.
00:33:00
But I almost didn't see it.
00:33:02
I know, I kind of got nervous about that.
00:33:04
I was hoping that you didn't peace out before the end credits of the remake
00:33:08
happen, because there's like found footage of Ty Burrell who plays Steve's boat.
00:33:14
And then also when they get to the island, there's more zombies.
00:33:21
Yeah, I liked that a lot.
00:33:22
That was my favorite part of the remake.
00:33:25
Yeah, fun, creative way to give it a little more.
00:33:29
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:30
And boobies.
00:33:32
there are boobies in the remake.
00:33:35
So.
00:33:36
There wasn't any after credit scene in the first one, was there?
00:33:39
Okay.
00:33:43
Yeah, kind of, we've kind of been talking about the remake, but moving fully into
00:33:48
the fun facts about that one.
00:33:51
They shot it chronologically.
00:33:55
And the only reason they did that was because it was Snyder's first film.
00:33:59
And he just thought that that's what you did.
00:34:01
He didn't know that you could shoot out of order.
00:34:05
Yeah, he comes from like from commercials.
00:34:07
He came from short films, commercials.
00:34:09
Yeah, so he was just like, yeah, of course we shoot it in order, why wouldn't we?
00:34:13
And everybody else was like, usually you shoot the last death first and then it's
00:34:18
just all out of order and based on filming locations.
00:34:22
Nope, filmed it all chronologically.
00:34:25
But with a 21 million dollar budget, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
00:34:29
Except that's not even the full budget they were given.
00:34:31
They were given like a lot higher and then some other movie that sounds really
00:34:35
similar, Day of the Lifeless, I don't know.
00:34:40
I'm making shit up.
00:34:43
Like did, yeah, see I was close.
00:34:48
They, it did do very well.
00:34:50
So Universal's like, fuck you, you don't get that
00:34:53
a zillion dollar budget, you can have 21 million instead.
00:34:56
Yeah, yeah, they definitely kind of slashed the budget a bit because they
00:34:59
didn't think that people would...
00:35:02
They didn't think people had an interest in zombie movies anymore.
00:35:06
And then this movie came out and proved them wrong because it pretty much earned
00:35:08
back its entire budget in the first weekend, so...
00:35:12
three days.
00:35:13
And I mean, 28 Days Later did pretty well.
00:35:17
Two years before this.
00:35:19
Yeah, so, but that also was not an American film, so.
00:35:23
Yeah.
00:35:24
They also, they use different colors of blood for the decomposition of the zombies
00:35:28
in the remake.
00:35:30
I do too.
00:35:31
I think that's like such a good touch.
00:35:33
Cause blood does change colors.
00:35:35
So they use really red coloring for the recently dead zombies.
00:35:41
And then the ones who have kind of been dead for a while, they used more of a
00:35:45
brownish red.
00:35:47
And then they had like a black oily version for the ones that have been dead
00:35:51
for a long time.
00:35:55
Yeah.
00:35:58
I like how they had a lot of the actors, I mean this is probably pretty common
00:36:01
practice, but a lot of the actors carried remotes in their hand, and I guess you can
00:36:05
kind of see a couple of them like holding on to something if you look hard enough.
00:36:09
And it would activate an explosion behind them of blood.
00:36:14
And they get shot in the head.
00:36:16
Cute.
00:36:18
I love that.
00:36:19
Yeah.
00:36:20
More about special effects, kind of.
00:36:24
They have a scene where Anna is stitching up Kenneth's wounds and Snyder hired an
00:36:34
actual nurse for the close -up so that it would look like someone was actually
00:36:37
stitching.
00:36:39
But she misunderstood one of the director's directions and thought that he
00:36:43
was saying to go deeper and she inadvertently...
00:36:47
actually was puncturing Ving Rhames' skin and like sewed the prosthetic to his arm.
00:36:53
And he just didn't say anything.
00:36:55
He was, he just took it and they filmed the scene and Snyder was like, wow, that
00:37:00
was a great effect.
00:37:01
They were like, it's on me, get it off.
00:37:06
no.
00:37:09
would not sit through that.
00:37:11
That's me, personally.
00:37:12
I'm trying to think.
00:37:13
You would?
00:37:14
Maybe.
00:37:16
I think actually though it's kind of a fun tie back to the original because in the
00:37:22
original there's a scene at the beginning where they do the raid and there's like a
00:37:27
guy who turns into a zombie but his wife is like trying to hug him because she's
00:37:31
like no you know and he bites her shoulder and when they did that they had like a
00:37:38
basically like a pouch for him to bite onto right and rip off.
00:37:41
And he bit too far, so he actually just bit the woman, so like her screaming is
00:37:45
kind of her like actually just getting bit.
00:37:49
So I was like, that's kind of funny that it happened twice in the original end of
00:37:54
remake.
00:37:54
I had a nickel for every time.
00:37:57
I'd only have two but weird that it happened twice.
00:38:01
That's so funny.
00:38:03
Yeah, they that I mean just the amount of
00:38:06
like makeup work that went into, I mean both movies I'm sure, but the second movie
00:38:10
especially, there were 3000 makeup effects created and there was as many as 50 makeup
00:38:16
artists working at once and it could take up to three hours to get somebody in
00:38:21
moulage.
00:38:23
Crazy.
00:38:24
Yeah, that's for the remake, you said?
00:38:27
Yeah.
00:38:28
Which is interesting because I'm pretty sure I read the original.
00:38:31
It also took three hours to do their makeup.
00:38:34
And the difference is crazy, so...
00:38:38
in the original, they had a lot of people that were just like, gray paint on their
00:38:43
face.
00:38:44
And then they spent a little extra time on.
00:38:46
And I guess people like, the cult following of the original, like, this is
00:38:52
the sweater zombie and that's the hot dog zombie.
00:38:55
I made that up, but you get what I'm saying.
00:38:57
There's some that have, those are the ones that they spent a lot of time on.
00:39:00
Yeah, the kind of more featured zombies.
00:39:05
Yeah.
00:39:05
I'm just glad they got their blood figured out.
00:39:07
Yeah, the blood looks a bit more realistic in the remake.
00:39:13
Yeah.
00:39:15
But again, I feel like, you know, the vibe of the first one was pretty unserious, so
00:39:21
maybe it fits.
00:39:23
Maybe.
00:39:24
I don't know.
00:39:24
I like the other one as a serious tone movie.
00:39:28
The remake?
00:39:29
You prefer?
00:39:31
you think the original has a serious tone?
00:39:35
I think George A.
00:39:36
Romero knew very well that he was including, because that was one of the
00:39:40
reasons he changed the ending too, was that he realized that they had added a lot
00:39:45
of humor in it, and it was kind of more of that comic book feel.
00:39:48
And I think that it was pretty, pretty intentionally campy.
00:39:54
I didn't think it was campy at all.
00:39:55
I mean, other than like the gore, the gore is campy for sure.
00:39:59
But yeah, I mean, it was, to me, it was like a serious tone with some comedy
00:40:05
sprinkled in, you know?
00:40:08
Okay.
00:40:09
That's the way I took it though.
00:40:10
Yeah, well you've kind of had issues with recognizing humor in films.
00:40:16
No, I mean, I did think it was funny.
00:40:18
I think I got all the funny parts.
00:40:19
But yeah.
00:40:21
I think the vibe was just more...
00:40:23
Yeah, kind of a little less serious, a little bit more delving into the fun of it
00:40:29
rather than taking itself really seriously.
00:40:32
The hedonism.
00:40:35
I learned that word from the Wikipedia page.
00:40:38
Great!
00:40:40
I'm glad that this movie could help broaden your horizons and your vocabulary.
00:40:47
thank you.
00:40:48
But no, it reminds me of the scene where they're going down the escalator.
00:40:53
I forget names, but you know who I'm talking about.
00:40:58
In the original, yes.
00:41:00
I'm gonna tell you.
00:41:02
The original is Peter, Fran, Steven, and Roger.
00:41:06
Mm -hmm.
00:41:07
Roger, he slides down the between escalators, he slides down on it.
00:41:13
And Tom Savini said like a bunch of people were like, my God, that looks like so much
00:41:19
fun.
00:41:19
I'm going to do it too.
00:41:22
And now all escalators everywhere have like metal posts sticking up at the
00:41:27
bottom.
00:41:27
So you can't do that or like you're you're deterred from it.
00:41:31
And
00:41:34
George Romero, right?
00:41:35
Yeah, George A.
00:41:35
Romero was like, I think that's because of the Dawn of the Dead series.
00:41:39
I think that we caused that to happen.
00:41:40
Yeah, he really, I think he wanted it to be because of them.
00:41:46
I really hope that that was because of us.
00:41:49
But no, that was that was, improvised.
00:41:54
Yeah, a lot- I think feel like a lot of the first movie was kind of spur of the
00:41:59
moment.
00:41:59
What would be cool in terms of the action?
00:42:02
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:03
Well, and even the special effects, like Tom Savini had said that he- they'd be
00:42:07
like, we need this to happen.
00:42:08
And he'd figure out how to do it on the spot.
00:42:11
So.
00:42:11
Yeah, like the arm and the pressure cuff.
00:42:13
Mm -hmm.
00:42:14
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:15
Yeah.
00:42:16
So a little horror Easter egg, I guess, for the remake was that Heather
00:42:23
Langenkamp, who plays Nancy in the Nightmare on Elm Street series, was a part
00:42:28
of the production crew for the remake.
00:42:30
Yeah.
00:42:32
We love a good horror icon being a part of other movies.
00:42:35
Yeah, I'm surprised she didn't play an extra.
00:42:38
I think at that point, she kind of wasn't acting as much anymore.
00:42:42
I think she kind of moved to more behind the scenes stuff.
00:42:45
Are you really acting to be an extra?
00:42:47
I mean, yes, don't negate their contributions.
00:42:54
Come on.
00:42:55
wasn't acting.
00:42:56
You have to act like a zombie, what do you mean?
00:42:58
I, the one person in my life that I know has been, the two people, there's two
00:43:03
people I know that have been extras in movies.
00:43:05
One of them is my uncle.
00:43:07
He was an extra in a movie.
00:43:09
Can't act, that's not acting.
00:43:11
And then the second one is a girl I used to work with.
00:43:14
Hate her so much, my God, she's the worst.
00:43:17
She was also an extra in like a Doritos commercial or something.
00:43:20
She had to like spin around and
00:43:21
dip a chip in salsa or some shit.
00:43:23
I don't know.
00:43:24
She got paid in beer.
00:43:25
Hated her too.
00:43:26
Neither of two of them could act.
00:43:28
So that's the bar that I have.
00:43:31
It's very low to the ground.
00:43:33
Right.
00:43:34
Well, I think that there's a lot of full -time actors who also can't act.
00:43:38
So I think that there are extras who are great actors.
00:43:44
And I think that there's extras that probably aren't that good of actors or
00:43:50
actors at all.
00:43:52
And I think the same goes for paid actors, actual feature length film actors.
00:43:59
Who's a feature length film actor that can't act?
00:44:00
Hmm.
00:44:03
Hmm.
00:44:03
I'll say it, Chris Pratt.
00:44:05
Chris Pratt can't act.
00:44:06
He is the same character in all of his movies.
00:44:09
I think getting typecasted though happens to a lot of people.
00:44:12
Like Ryan Reynolds is the same person in every movie too.
00:44:16
But he does it well.
00:44:17
That's true.
00:44:18
And we hate Chris Pratt.
00:44:23
Honestly, the first person that came to my mind isn't even like in movies.
00:44:30
This is gonna get me like, people love him on the show, but I think Joe Mantegna?
00:44:39
Mantegna?
00:44:40
Mantegna?
00:44:41
I can't, I don't know.
00:44:43
He plays Rossi on Criminal Minds and I think he's a terrible actor.
00:44:48
if we're going TV actors, why don't you try the entire cast of Grey's Anatomy?
00:44:54
Not a single fucking one of them can act, sorry.
00:44:56
Actually, okay, some of them can.
00:44:58
But Meredith Grey?
00:45:03
Sorry, Ellen Pompeo.
00:45:05
There's a reason that you're only on Grey's Anatomy.
00:45:08
There's a fucking reason.
00:45:11
But yeah, I feel like there's some that I'm just like, eh.
00:45:14
I feel like I created this discussion and now I can't think of good examples.
00:45:19
That's why I ask, because I know you couldn't think of anybody.
00:45:22
And Chris Pratt.
00:45:25
You would have gotten there eventually.
00:45:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:29
Stephen Seagal.
00:45:31
Kind of shit.
00:45:33
Not anymore.
00:45:34
he like a politician?
00:45:37
Didn't he start as a politician?
00:45:39
Arnold Schwarzenegger is speaking about people who went into politics.
00:45:43
He's a terrible actor.
00:45:46
He is, you know what his best film is?
00:45:50
Kindergarten Cop?
00:45:51
wait, is he in that?
00:45:52
movie?
00:45:52
this so unironically and I don't care if I get hate for it, it's Batman & Robin 1997
00:45:57
and I will fight anybody who gives that movie s**t.
00:46:00
It's a f**king camp masterpiece and I don't care what people say.
00:46:04
It's the third best superhero movie of all time.
00:46:09
Out of the three that you've seen.
00:46:13
No, I've seen other superhero movies.
00:46:16
I've only liked three.
00:46:19
That's not true, I've liked four.
00:46:21
What are the other two?
00:46:21
I mean, this is relevant to this conversation because, you know, James
00:46:26
Gunn, Zack Snyder.
00:46:30
the Across the Universe those two movies those are the best Spider -Man Across the
00:46:34
Universe into the Spider -Verse and Across the Spider -Verse those are the best
00:46:37
superhero movies ever made sorry I said that yeah yeah yeah fuck the Beatles not
00:46:44
that I meant Spider -Verse sorry the Spider -Verse movies those two one and two
00:46:50
Very good.
00:46:51
And honestly interchangeable, you can put them at either one or two, either one, and
00:46:55
that's fine.
00:46:56
Chronicle, underrated superhero movie, great.
00:46:59
You've seen Chronicle?
00:47:00
You should watch Chronicle.
00:47:01
It's really good.
00:47:03
It's not, Chronicle is just like people who get superheroes.
00:47:06
It's not like Marvel or DC or anything like that.
00:47:10
I've seen Iron Man and Iron Man 2, I think.
00:47:17
It was fine.
00:47:18
I think Batman & Robin is better.
00:47:21
I've seen, I've seen The Dark Knight.
00:47:24
No, I've never seen Wonder Woman.
00:47:25
I don't like Gal Gadot.
00:47:27
Gadot?
00:47:27
I don't care.
00:47:28
Fuck her.
00:47:29
I don't want to watch her in anything.
00:47:31
Sorry.
00:47:32
No, I hate her.
00:47:33
Why?
00:47:34
She's very pro -Israel right now.
00:47:36
We don't like Gal Gadot.
00:47:38
She's also just a terrible, honestly her, she's a terrible fucking actress.
00:47:43
Bad.
00:47:45
I didn't- see I liked her in Wonder Woman.
00:47:46
I thought she did okay.
00:47:47
yeah, well.
00:47:49
Anyways, that's all I have to talk about superhero movies.
00:47:53
I just don't like, I don't know, there's just not a lot of good ones.
00:47:56
The Dark Knight series was good.
00:47:58
yeah.
00:47:58
Christopher Nolan and a superhero movie.
00:48:00
Hans Zimmer.
00:48:02
Am I crazy to say Batman & Robin is better?
00:48:05
I mean, probably, yeah.
00:48:07
You're the only one that thinks so.
00:48:10
The Dark Knight series is like, yeah.
00:48:12
Well, is that the one with Danny DeVito?
00:48:17
Listen.
00:48:18
one with Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr.
00:48:22
Freeze and Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy.
00:48:24
It's the one with the nipple suits.
00:48:28
I have no idea what you're talking about.
00:48:30
George Clooney plays Batman and he wears a suit that shows his nipples.
00:48:37
It's the best superhero movie ever, kd.
00:48:41
I just...
00:48:42
Okay, I believe you.
00:48:45
I've seen a lot of superhero movies, but that's not one of them.
00:48:49
That is a shame because it is a riot.
00:48:53
Okay.
00:48:53
I think also Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy, like, I don't wanna say she made me a
00:48:59
little gay, but she definitely sped up the process.
00:49:03
I do love Uma Thurman.
00:49:06
She's great.
00:49:06
She's the only person from that movie too who like loves it.
00:49:10
Everyone else has been like, I regret working on it.
00:49:13
I'm so sorry.
00:49:14
George Clooney has been known to like refund people for their tickets.
00:49:20
They've gone to lengths to apologize for this film.
00:49:24
And Uma Thurman is the only one that was like, what are you guys talking about?
00:49:27
That was so much fun.
00:49:28
Like I had a blast.
00:49:29
It was a masterclass in camp.
00:49:32
Like I just got to like come onto set and pop my pussy every day.
00:49:34
Like I don't care.
00:49:37
that's fun.
00:49:39
Well, compared to the other movies she works on.
00:49:41
What do you mean?
00:49:42
She's seen a lot of gory stuff.
00:49:44
Gory like heavy stuff.
00:49:45
So it would be fun to do a Batman movie that can't be.
00:49:48
Yeah, that's true.
00:49:48
Anyways, we're not talking about superheroes today, we're talking about...
00:49:52
just to just to clarify that was justified.
00:49:55
It's Zack Snyder and James Gunn.
00:49:58
It's very justified.
00:50:00
who's seen Batman & Robin 1997 is like, that wasn't justified actually.
00:50:06
I don't care.
00:50:07
I love it.
00:50:09
fuck.
00:50:11
Anyways, I only have a couple more fun facts.
00:50:14
I'll just do that pretty quickly.
00:50:17
But in the remake, while they're talking about ammunition in the gun store, the
00:50:21
music from the gun store in the original film is playing in the background.
00:50:24
So just another fun little nod.
00:50:27
And then my other last fact about the remake was that they were asked in the...
00:50:34
like, director's commentary for the remake.
00:50:37
Someone asked Snyder where the mom was when they were pointing the handgun at the
00:50:42
zombie baby.
00:50:43
They're like, where was the mom?
00:50:45
And Snyder's response was she was there saying, "I love show business and I want
00:50:49
my baby to be a part of this." And that's crazy.
00:50:53
Yeah, that is kinda crazy.
00:50:54
Yeah, probably shouldn't be a parent if I'm being honest.
00:51:00
Well, whatever.
00:51:02
Huh, that scene was a little shocking.
00:51:05
Yeah, it was definitely like a, okay, they went there.
00:51:08
Yeah.
00:51:10
Well, I mean, the original movie kills a bunch of kids.
00:51:13
That's true.
00:51:14
It's like, you know, call back to the other movie.
00:51:15
We can do it better.
00:51:16
We'll kill a baby.
00:51:17
We're gonna go even younger.
00:51:22
Literally fresh.
00:51:24
Literally minute one.
00:51:28
Yeah, you can't get any, I mean, unless it's like in utero, you can't get any
00:51:33
fresher.
00:51:35
Should we rate it?
00:51:38
Then?
00:51:38
can we just real quick, can we, what was your favorite kill?
00:51:44
Out of both movies.
00:51:46
Either movie.
00:51:46
Not both, either.
00:51:49
Ooh.
00:51:51
Of the two movies, what was your favorite kill?
00:51:52
I know mine.
00:51:54
I think maybe the chainsaw.
00:52:00
no.
00:52:01
Which I thought was funny because I had completely forgotten about that scene and
00:52:04
when you had predicted it you were like, someone has a chainsaw.
00:52:07
And I was like, I don't think anybody has a chainsaw.
00:52:10
As soon as they got in the truck I remembered and was like, my god.
00:52:17
There's like a pretty significant chainsaw kill.
00:52:21
Actually, no, I think it's when CJ shoots the propane tank and just everything
00:52:26
explodes and clears the way for them.
00:52:28
That's pretty iconic.
00:52:30
Yeah, that's a good one.
00:52:32
What about you?
00:52:33
Mine is from the 78 film when the zombie climbs up onto boxes and it gets the top
00:52:40
of his head sliced off by the helicopter.
00:52:42
Ugh.
00:52:43
That is simultaneously the best scene and my worst nightmare.
00:52:47
Because I, for those that don't know, my husband was a helicopter pilot in a past
00:52:51
life and he's really fucking tall and I always worry about like, wow, do you have
00:52:56
to like duck and get him?
00:52:57
Like what, what if you like step up and like, ugh.
00:53:01
Yeah?
00:53:01
But if that's how it happens, it's pretty fucking funny, so.
00:53:04
There you go.
00:53:10
Yeah.
00:53:11
All right, yeah, let's rate it.
00:53:12
How scary do you think it was?
00:53:15
I gave both movies the same score, which is a one.
00:53:21
Yeah, the originals just kind of campy and fun.
00:53:23
And then the remake, it definitely, I think, has a more serious tone overall,
00:53:28
but I still don't really remember being scared during it.
00:53:33
I don't know.
00:53:34
What about you?
00:53:36
Yeah.
00:53:38
Yeah.
00:53:38
Not even a little bit.
00:53:39
But zombies don't really scare me.
00:53:41
You know?
00:53:43
That's all.
00:53:44
Yeah, they don't induce fear in me.
00:53:47
If they were real, yeah.
00:53:51
if they were real and they started running at me.
00:53:55
I wouldn't not be scared.
00:53:58
Yeah, I try to think about where I would go in a zombie apocalypse, but I think a
00:54:01
Costco.
00:54:02
think I'd just die.
00:54:04
I'll just take myself out in the comfort of my home.
00:54:07
I'm good.
00:54:08
Yeah, that's fair.
00:54:09
Although, fuck I always worry that I'd pull like a Peter and be like, I'm good,
00:54:14
I'm just gonna end it here and then be like, shit, I can't do it, I guess I'm
00:54:17
gonna keep going.
00:54:20
yeah, that's honestly relatable.
00:54:24
Very relatable.
00:54:26
Yeah.
00:54:28
How sexy did you think they were?
00:54:32
One for both.
00:54:35
Yeah, they both get a one.
00:54:36
I don't.
00:54:37
They're just, you know, it's like it's people eating people again.
00:54:42
That's true.
00:54:42
I'm sorry.
00:54:43
That's okay.
00:54:46
This is more fun, people eating people.
00:54:49
It's like, compared to the other one, it's like, you know?
00:54:57
you sure?
00:54:57
Yeah, this is a little more fun.
00:55:00
But it's not sexy to eat people.
00:55:03
You know, which is funny though, because I did give Raw a little bit of a...
00:55:07
Raw had like a tone, like a little...
00:55:10
It had that sound.
00:55:11
This one didn't.
00:55:13
Neither of them did.
00:55:14
What did you give it?
00:55:15
I gave the original a 1 because it's just not, yeah, it's not a sexy vibe.
00:55:21
But I gave the remake a 1 .5 because I do think there's like a little, a touch of
00:55:26
sexiness.
00:55:27
Not a lot, but like a little touch of it.
00:55:31
There's boobs.
00:55:34
Yeah.
00:55:34
So like it's not not sexy.
00:55:36
I'm not having sex, in a mall.
00:55:37
-
00:55:37
Or in a boat.
00:55:38
Again.
00:55:43
Did you just say again?
00:55:44
Yeah.
00:55:48
I said on a boat!
00:55:51
Good for you!
00:55:52
thanks.
00:55:53
Yeah, it was wild times when I worked at that fishing landing.
00:55:59
my God.
00:56:00
Yeah, there's all sorts of stuff happening.
00:56:01
it.
00:56:03
What a time in our lives?
00:56:04
In your life.
00:56:05
Not mine.
00:56:09
Yeah.
00:56:11
There's still time for you.
00:56:12
I, yeah, that's true.
00:56:15
You could have a boat hoe phase.
00:56:18
I plan to.
00:56:21
I'm shifting gears this summer.
00:56:29
know some guys and girls.
00:56:31
Great!
00:56:42
How?
00:56:44
Fucked up did you think it was?
00:56:46
I gave the original a one.
00:56:48
Okay, hot take.
00:56:50
It's just older, so it just doesn't have the same impact.
00:56:54
They used real cow intestines.
00:56:56
That's disgusting.
00:56:59
Not before this you didn't.
00:57:03
I saw it before I saw this, but...
00:57:08
No, but I'm basing it based on my experience, right?
00:57:11
So like, me seeing this movie, it's not fucked up.
00:57:14
I'm sure people seeing it in the theaters when it came out, it was fucked up.
00:57:18
But to me, no.
00:57:21
The remake I did give a 1 .5, and the 0 .5 is just for the zombie baby, because
00:57:27
that's like a little fucked up.
00:57:30
That is a little fucked up.
00:57:33
What about you?
00:57:36
Okay.
00:57:37
for the cow intestines
00:57:38
like pioneering zombie gore.
00:57:43
It's pretty fucked up.
00:57:44
And nobody had seen a lot of that before.
00:57:47
And the helicopter seemed pretty fucked up.
00:57:49
I mean, it's just a way.
00:57:50
His head lops up.
00:57:51
I'll never get over it.
00:57:52
And then the second one for the baby and the baby.
00:57:57
Yeah.
00:57:58
It's like, hmm.
00:58:01
Which is so, okay, speaking of Aquaman 2.
00:58:04
He had another chance to kill a baby and he didn't even bother.
00:58:08
That's crazy.
00:58:11
Overall, what did you give Dawn of the Dead, remake and original?
00:58:17
Okay, so the original I enjoyed.
00:58:20
I thought it was fun.
00:58:22
It was pretty funny.
00:58:26
I did like that it kind of, you know, was a pioneer in the space.
00:58:32
Only the second movie to use the word zombie.
00:58:34
And the first was its prequel.
00:58:37
I gave it a 3 .5.
00:58:39
All right.
00:58:42
What did you give the remake?
00:58:44
Okay, so the remake I also enjoyed.
00:58:47
Okay, I was nervous when you said I really said it.
00:58:51
The way you said it made it sound like you were gonna shit on the remake.
00:58:54
No, so...
00:58:56
I liked both movies for a lot of the same reasons, but I think the first one was
00:59:03
just like, because it was a pioneer, I have to give the second one a little bit
00:59:06
less.
00:59:07
So I gave it a three.
00:59:09
Okay.
00:59:10
I don't think that they did anything significantly better except maybe like
00:59:15
special effects, but like that's a product of its time.
00:59:18
I don't think that that's like, you know, we would expect them to have better
00:59:23
effects in this one.
00:59:24
I don't think they did anything else significantly better to justify it getting
00:59:30
the same or higher score.
00:59:32
So we got a three and the original got a three and a half.
00:59:34
All right.
00:59:35
What did you give it?
00:59:38
I kind of disagree.
00:59:40
I think there are things that they remake did that I enjoyed the addition of.
00:59:44
I liked that there were more people.
00:59:46
It kind of gave them the ability to kill people off and have it be a little bit
00:59:51
more interesting.
00:59:53
Or I guess like, higher kill count, you know, a little bit more fun.
00:59:57
I liked the addition of the guy next door and like...
01:00:01
Andy, like them talking to him, I thought that was really cool.
01:00:04
And I fucking love the scene where they're driving through the hordes of zombies.
01:00:09
I think that scene is so fucking cool.
01:00:13
So yeah, I definitely think there were things that the remake did that I enjoyed
01:00:19
a lot.
01:00:19
I do think this is one of the best remakes in horror history.
01:00:24
Like, typically you watch the remake and you're like, why do they even touch it?
01:00:28
This is one of the ones where I'm like,
01:00:29
they did a great job.
01:00:31
So I'm going to do something crazy and I'm going to give them the exact same score.
01:00:35
And I'm going to, I gave both a 3 .5.
01:00:38
Yeah.
01:00:39
Cause I obviously, I do love the original.
01:00:41
It's fun.
01:00:42
It's super unserious.
01:00:43
I like George A.
01:00:44
Romero.
01:00:45
I do like that the original touched on social issues about capitalism and
01:00:50
consumerism and racial issues, abortion.
01:00:54
Like they weren't afraid to kind of touch on these things.
01:00:57
So I do like that.
01:00:59
But I think the remake is solid, super enjoyable, fun zombie movie.
01:01:04
I like both.
01:01:07
Yeah.
01:01:08
I love it.
01:01:10
Yeah, to your point.
01:01:12
no, I was just gonna say to your point like that it is a very good remake.
01:01:17
I mean, all I have to go off of is like nothing.
01:01:21
I don't really have anything to go off of.
01:01:23
But yeah, I mean, it definitely did justice for the original movie.
01:01:28
So, yeah.
01:01:30
Yeah.
01:01:32
Would you survive?
01:01:33
That's the real question.
01:01:36
Okay.
01:01:36
the first movie I think I have a better chance.
01:01:39
Because they're just walkers.
01:01:41
Yeah.
01:01:42
Second movie, I'm absolutely not.
01:01:44
I mean, the remake, absolutely not.
01:01:45
The run -in, no way.
01:01:48
I'm not running.
01:01:50
I'm running right into them.
01:01:52
Until they kill me faster.
01:01:54
Yeah.
01:01:54
But the first one I think I have a little bit better of a chance.
01:01:58
I think it was really smart to go to a mall versus like my plan has always been a
01:02:04
Costco.
01:02:05
There's not a lot to do at a Costco.
01:02:06
There's a lot more fun stuff to do at a
01:02:08
Yeah.
01:02:10
But you know, I think, I think just no.
01:02:11
I don't think I'm living.
01:02:13
And you don't want to.
01:02:16
Yeah, but it is funny.
01:02:17
I kind of said the exact same thing as you.
01:02:19
I was like, the remake?
01:02:19
No, like they run.
01:02:21
That's not...
01:02:22
It's just not happening.
01:02:24
It's over for me.
01:02:25
The original I said, like, maybe, probably not because it sounds terrible to be
01:02:31
alive.
01:02:32
But I think, yeah, the original you definitely have a better chance because
01:02:35
they walk.
01:02:36
And I'm not, I'm not, I'm sorry.
01:02:38
I think it's so stupid when there's walking zombies and people just hoard it
01:02:41
and stay in one place.
01:02:42
Like, that's not smart.
01:02:44
Just...
01:02:45
Do a light jog and you're fine.
01:02:47
It's when they start hoarding that it's bad.
01:02:51
Also, you know, it was the 70s, so it was definitely that mentality of like, save
01:02:56
the woman.
01:02:56
And I would take advantage of that, back then, absolutely.
01:03:01
I am not as cool as Gaylen Ross, and I would have been screaming and letting the
01:03:06
men's sacrifice themselves for me.
01:03:09
So you would have survived at least for a little while.
01:03:12
A little while, but I think like the ending is pretty bleak in that one too.
01:03:15
Like I don't think that they probably make it that much longer.
01:03:18
So I'll say that I as well die for both.
01:03:23
Yeah.
01:03:24
Yeah.
01:03:26
Do I give us one death or two for that?
01:03:28
I think that's two, two each.
01:03:30
That's rough.
01:03:31
It's rough.
01:03:33
Yeah.
01:03:36
all right, cool.
01:03:37
Do you want to predict next week's film?
01:03:40
Okay, next week we're seeing a new movie.
01:03:42
It's in theaters right now.
01:03:44
It's called I Saw the TV Glow.
01:03:46
Okay.
01:03:48
I know nothing about this movie.
01:03:51
All I've seen is the poster.
01:03:52
I had no idea what it was.
01:03:53
Yeah.
01:03:55
So I do think it's about a group of kids.
01:04:00
wait.
01:04:00
No, I know a little bit about it.
01:04:02
Because I think I gave like a summary of it.
01:04:04
They okay.
01:04:05
Yeah.
01:04:05
So it's a group of kids and they're in high school and these particular kids do
01:04:11
each other in elementary school and they get back together.
01:04:14
And they're like, my God, you know what we should do is we should watch that show
01:04:17
from when we were in elementary school.
01:04:36
they're They're in high school now but they get back together and they're like,
01:04:21
my gosh, we should watch that show that we loved so much when we were in elementary
01:04:24
school.
01:04:25
And they go to watch the show, which is called...
01:04:30
The TV glow, it's called The TV glow.
01:04:33
I had to like reverse engineer that in my brain.
01:04:37
And if you go back to watching that show after you stop watching it as a kid, if
01:04:45
you go back to it as like an adult or like a semi adult, you get like a hex put on
01:04:51
you.
01:04:53
Like from The Ring where it's like, hmm.
01:04:58
You're gonna die now.
01:05:00
Yeah.
01:05:01
Unfortunate.
01:05:02
So they have to figure out how to un -see The TV Glow.
01:05:08
Yeah, they have to unsee it.
01:05:12
Yeah.
01:05:13
That's the, that's the main premise.
01:05:15
I don't, I think most, I think it's kids, so a lot of them make it out okay.
01:05:21
I don't think this is like a kill the kid kind of film.
01:05:23
Got it.
01:05:24
Yeah.
01:05:25
And I think at the end there's like a flashback, or not a flashback, a flash
01:05:29
forward to when they're really old and they get back together and they're like,
01:05:33
should we watch The TV Glow again?
01:05:37
Yeah.
01:05:37
And that's the end of the movie.
01:05:39
got it, yeah, okay, cool.
01:05:41
It's A24, it's gotta be good.
01:05:43
So it's gotta be nothing like what I just described.
01:05:46
That, well...
01:05:49
it is about kids.
01:05:50
They do like a TV show.
01:05:52
That's what I'll give you.
01:05:53
I think the rest I'm gonna let you kind of go in blind.
01:05:56
It's not called The TV Glow.
01:05:58
The television show they like is called The Pink Opaque.
01:06:01
So...
01:06:03
Yeah.
01:06:04
Yeah, I'll let you kind of go into it blind.
01:06:06
I think that'll be fun.
01:06:07
Yeah, that's my favorite way to see him.
01:06:09
I've seen pretty much all of the new movies that we've seen blind, and it's
01:06:13
been way more fun.
01:06:15
yeah, 100%.
01:06:16
Honestly, seeing movies blind is so much fucking fun and I highly recommend it.
01:06:20
Any movie.
01:06:21
Any movie that you go and see.
01:06:22
The only thing I would say is check the ratings first and then go and see it.
01:06:26
It's crazy, because I remember when we started this and you would just read ahead
01:06:30
and spoil things for yourself and I kept begging you to go in blind to things and
01:06:34
you wouldn't.
01:06:35
And I'm glad that after a year and a half, you see the truth and that I am right.
01:06:43
yeah.
01:06:45
That's fair.
01:06:46
Yeah, if you have a...
01:06:47
I typically don't just because my triggers, I'm fine if I see them.
01:06:52
There's very few things that...
01:06:54
will give me a visceral reaction.
01:06:56
But I know people do have that type of trigger where it's like they cannot handle
01:07:01
it if they see something.
01:07:02
So yes, if you have something like that, absolutely check triggers and then go in
01:07:05
blind, but highly recommend.
01:07:08
It's always just fun not knowing what to expect.
01:07:11
Yeah, way more fun.
01:07:13
Yeah.
01:07:15
Well, I'm excited.
01:07:19
Thank you everybody for listening.
01:07:20
This was definitely like a new type of format for us.
01:07:24
We've never done it where we've reviewed more than one movie.
01:07:28
But I kind of liked it.
01:07:30
It's neat to be able to talk about both with you instead of trying to not spoil
01:07:35
remakes and stuff like that when you haven't seen them yet.
01:07:38
So definitely something we might try again in the future.
01:07:42
But thank you for sticking around.
01:07:43
We appreciate you guys listening.
01:07:45
Thanks.
01:07:46
Yeah, I'll see you next week.
01:07:49
Bye.
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